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Post by SnicketFires on Feb 9, 2004 11:05:39 GMT -5
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Feb 9, 2004 18:10:52 GMT -5
1984! Good connection! IN BBRE Snicket mentions his sister thinking that some of the eyes in Olaf's house had secret cameras/lenses that actually did watch whoever was inside. He also says that devices of this sort were in the Baudelaire home.
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Post by E on Feb 9, 2004 18:51:23 GMT -5
Really? Fascinating! What do you think the purpose of them would be in the Baudelaire home?
I posted in your thread, SnicketFires.
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Feb 9, 2004 20:21:49 GMT -5
Well the Baudelaire parents were often out of the house. And, of course, they wanted to ensure the safety of their children, so the surveillance could enable them to keep a protective eye on the youngsters while they were out.
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Feb 9, 2004 20:26:31 GMT -5
Many of the people u listed supporting Laissez Faire arent necessarily in VFD.
1) Jerome
2) Bruce
3) Charles
4) Nero
6) Hector isn't Laissez Faire, he's just nervous, but he is in VFD, and he tried to actively help the bauds, overcoming his fear in the end, I like Hector.
7) Hal wasn't necessarily in VFD either. He would know a lot more about the bauds than some stray info on the snicketfires if he were.
8) The original Volunteers Fighting Disease, come on, they're not in the real VFD!
9) Carmelita
10) Mr. Poe might be in VFD, but I have my doubts...
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Post by Efogoto on Feb 9, 2004 21:41:19 GMT -5
They weren't in the real VFD, but they weren't helpful either. Why were they unhelpful? Are they oblivious, don't want to get involved, or don't comprehend that intervention might not only be helpful but called for?
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Post by SnicketFires on Feb 9, 2004 22:36:50 GMT -5
Thanks E  The Baudelaire parents may have wanted to witness the "taking" of their children. But that doesn't really require 24 hour survalence. Jacques, these people aren't necessarily in VFD but haven't they displayed qualities in the laissez-faire philosphy? And Hector wasn't nevous, he was skittish. |
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Post by E on Feb 10, 2004 16:23:15 GMT -5
Yes, I'm sorry if I implied that each person on that list was for certain... anything's possible at this point, though. I'm one of the oddballs that sees nearly everyone as a possible VFD member. However, that list was more for laisses-faire people rather than certified members.
But I regress- I do think Hector is laisses-faire. He was silent when they wanted to burn Jacques, he was silent when the Baudelaires were accused of m urder. Why? Same reason as Jerome, the numero uno laisses-faire candidate in the whole series- he didn't like to argue.
Hal... hm. Good point. I guess all I can say is perhaps his laisses-faire philosophy, if he indeed follows one, would make him not want to interfere. Like Poe, if he's a member. But like you, I have my doubts that he is indeed a VFDer.
Carmelita- ha! I know, it's ludicrous. But in TSS it's mentioned that Olaf is after the spats fortune, just like the Quagmires and the Baudelaires. This lead me to wonder if her parents were in the VFD.
On Volunteers Fighting Disease- not likely, not at all. But it seems that anything with the VFD initials are somehow tied into the VFD itself. Take the Village of Fowl Devotees for example. The town with the trained "carrier crows" owned by the good side of the schism. It was mentioned near the end of TSS that the crows were, indeed, trained.
But yes, you are correct, not everyone in the list is a VFD member. At least not that we know of.
Good idea on the surveillance. I'm drawing a blank on that right now or else I'd contribute ideas.
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Feb 10, 2004 21:24:14 GMT -5
But Carmelita and Hal aren't Laissez Faire. Both of them take quite a lot of interference. If Hal were laissez faire he would not make a fuss about anything, and he wouldn't want to argue with the Baudelaires.
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Feb 10, 2004 21:25:01 GMT -5
Thanks E The Baudelaire parents may have wanted to witness the "taking" of their children. But that doesn't really require 24 hour survalence. Jacques, these people aren't necessarily in VFD but haven't they displayed qualities in the laissez-faire philosphy? And Hector wasn't nevous, he was skittish. "skittish means nervous, by the way" |
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Post by SnicketFires on Feb 10, 2004 21:32:01 GMT -5
Of course it does. Just using the wording ;D
Hal wasn't overly laissez-faire. He didn't want to read the files coming into the Library of records. I, for example, would have read nearly every single one. He didn't make sure the orphans went home at night, rather, he just made sure they didn't spoil their appetite with fruit. But, he did bother the Baudelaires, quite well, but interfereing with the surgery regarding the false keys.
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Post by Efogoto on Feb 11, 2004 2:21:32 GMT -5
Hal didn't mind about things that didn't directly relate to him so he warned the Baudelaires about eating too much fruit but monitor them, but when they burned down his library (so he thought) he took action!
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Post by E on Feb 11, 2004 16:39:58 GMT -5
But Carmelita and Hal aren't Laissez Faire. Both of them take quite a lot of interference. If Hal were laissez faire he would not make a fuss about anything, and he wouldn't want to argue with the Baudelaires. I agree, I can't even remember why I put Hal on the list now. It's been awhile since I've read THH. But I put Carmelita up because of the origin of "cakesniffer". The queen who didn't care about her subjects- if someone hasn't heard much about that I'll elaborate. |
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Feb 12, 2004 21:35:53 GMT -5
all those allegedes on the calendar are right by the queens statement day aren't they? That's cause Queen of France's statement about her starving people"oh let them eat cake" was only alleged. I think Lemony put cakesniffer in just to allude to Dickens' time.
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Post by Celinra on Feb 12, 2004 22:10:02 GMT -5
all those allegedes on the calendar are right by the queens statement day aren't they? That's cause Queen of France's statement about her starving people"oh let them eat cake" was only alleged. I think Lemony put cakesniffer in just to allude to Dickens' time. It says "According to legend, French queen Marie Antoinette, when told that the poor have no bread, says, 'then let them eat cake.'" Legend is slightly different that alleged. Whether she said it or not, it reflects her attitude towards the people, one of laissez-faire-ness, she didn't feel like doing anything to help the people (which is historically true, even if she never actually said the above quote and put it so bluntly). And this, as I said earlier, is right by the phrase 'cakesniffer,' showing they're connected. I have never heard cakesniffer used in reference to Dickens. Please explain. |
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