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Post by Nate2632 on Mar 1, 2004 18:48:48 GMT -5
At first, i thought that the little child was showing Jesus as sort of being the anti christ, and the devil was Mary, kind of comforting the child. But then, my friends dad said the same thig as swans, that if Jesus didn't succede in his plan to save us, then that child would be brought to earth to detroy it, i.e. being the anti-christ. I am glad that this movie is gaining such succes, but i hope it causes people to become interested in the bible, and take a read to find out the rest of the story.
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Post by Nate2632 on Mar 1, 2004 18:53:10 GMT -5
Some people may have gotten confused about how there is an earthquake, and the devil is screaming after it. Well let me clear things up for you.
The earthquake was caused by God because we had just killed his son, and he was furious.
The reason the Devil is screaming, is because he realized that Jesus' plan had succeded, and he would not have as many people to torture in hell.
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Post by Celinra on Mar 1, 2004 19:08:51 GMT -5
There is a lot of historical evidence that Jesus lived, that he performed miracles (even in sources from those against him, they refer to him as a dark magician or something to that effect, showing that even though they don't believe He was the messiah, they didn't deny that he had special powers). There is also evidence that he was crucified, and even that he was gone from the tomb three days later (and not because of the disciples or the Romans).
For more on this topic, I recommend "A Case for Christ," by Lee Strobel. He was an atheist, who struggled with the same questions. He's a reporter, and in this book, he researches these types of questions by interviewing experts and whatnot, as though he were researching a story. It deals with many different aspects of Jesus life and crucifixion (i.e. is there historical evidence, did Jesus believe He was who He said He was, was he really gone from the tomb, were the disciples hallucinating when they saw him, etc).
As for the earthquake...
Matthew 27:51, 54
51 - At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook and the rocks split.
54 - When the centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus saw the earthquake and all that had happened, they were terrified, and exclaimed, "Surely he was the Son of God!"
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Post by Amphagorey on Mar 1, 2004 21:43:43 GMT -5
Just to clarify: I thought it over, and I do actually think that there probably was a man whoes name was Jesus, who claimed to be the son of God, and was crucified and such. What I DON'T beleive is that he WAS the son of God, that he could perform miracles, and that he came back. Lord of the Rings is diffrent. It actually CLAIMS to be fantasy. Sorry if I mortally offended anyone. Not my intention at all!
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Post by Nate2632 on Mar 1, 2004 22:33:51 GMT -5
well if that is what you believe, then so be it. I just can't believe that you can understand something as far-fetched as LOTR.
And if you believe that he wasn't able to create miracles, or that he wasn't the son of God, why is it that Christianity is the worlds most followed Religion?
Isa. 7:14 states, "Therefore the Lord Himself shall give you a sign; Behold a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call His name Immanuel." Matthew 1:23 repeats, "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call His name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."
If you have any more questions, you should pick up THE BIBLE. You won't be dispointed.
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Post by Celinra on Mar 2, 2004 9:11:29 GMT -5
Just to clarify: I thought it over, and I do actually think that there probably was a man whoes name was Jesus, who claimed to be the son of God, and was crucified and such. What I DON'T beleive is that he WAS the son of God, that he could perform miracles, and that he came back. And have you researched this opinion? Again, I recommend 'A Case for Christ,' by Lee Strobel. It's good for researching, and learning historical evidence (it'd be nice if you would try to find out more before bashing someone's religion). |
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Post by Amphagorey on Mar 2, 2004 21:42:34 GMT -5
It's not my path to follow. Christianity is not my beleif system, and it probably will never be. I find the church to be too male dominated(and corrupt), and that the values do not hold true to my own. Wicca, on the other hand, does. Sorry, AGAIN, to anyone I offended. And LOTR is perfectly easy to understand. I've only ever watched it once, and it makes perfect sense to me.
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Post by Celinra on Mar 2, 2004 23:14:03 GMT -5
I'm not saying you have to believe it, I'm just saying it'd be nice if people making opinions about other religions would be more informed before making those opinions (this is not just towards you, but to the world in general).
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Post by Charles Vane on Mar 2, 2004 23:29:16 GMT -5
Yeah Celinra, but people have all kinds of impressions about Wicca without getting enough information first. Just the word witch makes people jump to crazy conclusions. Christianity at least has the benefit of being the number one, most popular, most heard of, prominent religion. No one would associate Christianity with devil worshiping, the way most do with Wicca. So I'm agreeing with you, we all need to be more informed before we assume things about other peoples religions.
Passions of Christ.. not interested, I know the story, I don't want to see it just because Mel Gibson directed. I also don't want all the gore, I really don't need to see that. A woman near where I live died of a heart attack when Jesus got nailed to the cross. That's scary.
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Post by Celinra on Mar 2, 2004 23:38:38 GMT -5
Eep. That's not good, that someone died while seeinng it... yeah, it's not really for the faint of heart (after a certain point, I was unable to eat any snacks anymore, because it was too gross).
And Pandora, I do agree, people need to learn about all religions before making judgements. You're right, 'witch' does have a very negative connotation, mental images of ugly women in black dancing around a cauldron. I have a couple friends who are Wiccan, so I know it's nothing like that, but it's unfortunate that there are people who don't bother to learn more about it (I don't agree with it, but that's no excuse for getting their beliefs wrong).
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Post by Amphagorey on Mar 3, 2004 2:23:33 GMT -5
Jack Chick(Chick Tracts Thred) makes all non-Christian religions out to be bad. It's people like him who give Chrsitianity, and religion in general, a bad name. You're not supposed to SCARE people into beleiving things.
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Post by Amphagorey on Mar 3, 2004 11:05:27 GMT -5
I converted. I was Christian. I KNOW what the church is about. And, I don't like it. So, therefore, I found a religion that helped me express my beleifs.
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Post by Charles Vane on Mar 3, 2004 12:25:29 GMT -5
Ahh Swans, I'm not using that ladies death as an excuse to not watch The Passion. I just thought it was interesting so I shared it. She probably did have heart problems anyway. I'm not watching The Passion just because I don't want to. I don't see how Mel Gibson's version will be different then any of the other ones I've seen. Well, it's in a different langauge, but that just means I can't look away during the bloody parts or I'll miss what they're saying.
I know about Christianity. I gave it a try for sixteen years, I've gone to catholic schools all my life and am still attending one now. I've decided after much thought, it really isn't for me. I don't like organized religion, so I won't be a part of it. I can worship on my own, in my own way, TYVM.
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Post by Brian on Mar 3, 2004 17:15:57 GMT -5
Eep. And Pandora, I do agree, people need to learn about all religions before making judgements. You're right, 'witch' does have a very negative connotation, mental images of ugly women in black dancing around a cauldron. I have a couple friends who are Wiccan, so I know it's nothing like that, but it's unfortunate that there are people who don't bother to learn more about it (I don't agree with it, but that's no excuse for getting their beliefs wrong). I find that interesting from someone who 'witnesses.' And don't associate these points stated previously to just Christianity, because Christians do the same thing to other religions. Everyone does. |
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Post by Celinra on Mar 4, 2004 9:02:49 GMT -5
Jack Chick(Chick Tracts Thred) makes all non-Christian religions out to be bad. It's people like him who give Chrsitianity, and religion in general, a bad name. You're not supposed to SCARE people into beleiving things. I agree. He doesn't really seem to research, either, he just used the stereotype, which (a) leads to more prejudice against other religions if this is a person's only source of information, and (b) makes Christians look like intolerant idiots (which some probably are, but that's besides the point). Brian - Just because I 'witness' to share my faith doesn't mean I want to be uneducated about others. If, for example, a Wiccan came up to me and asked me about Christianity, and I replied that they were going to hell because they worshipped the devil and sacrificed animals, what would they think of me (and then, all Christians)? As I said, I may not necessarily think they're right, but that's no reason to put down something that's important to another person without at least first learning about it (and then, if you disagree, it shouldn't be insultingly, more of an "I see... I happen to believe..."). |
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