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Post by Nate2632 on Mar 12, 2004 23:37:17 GMT -5
i wish i was mel gibson. He put 25 million of his own money (  ) into this movie, and its about to make 300 million. Im glad he brought it to theaters, because look at how much disscussion its caused, and its also made many people aware of the Christian religion. I could have sworn, in the past couple of weeks, my church has gotten like 100 new members. Thanks Mel. You've saved a lot of people! |
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Post by Celinra on Mar 13, 2004 20:39:49 GMT -5
Im glad he brought it to theaters, because look at how much disscussion its caused, and its also made many people aware of the Christian religion. I could have sworn, in the past couple of weeks, my church has gotten like 100 new members. Thanks Mel. You've saved a lot of people! That's really neat that that happened at your church! That's the kind of reaction people at my church have been praying for. |
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Post by Kobolos on Mar 16, 2004 8:38:51 GMT -5
What? A religious thread without Kobo? Perish the thought! Actually I have nothing of substance to add other than this, and it's something I've learned in my month away from you. Any religion that is not Christian (and some that are) are devil worship. You are going to hell if you don't believe what they believe and aren't saved by their lord and saviour. Nothing is going to change this perception, so instead of shouting "we as Pagans do not worship the devil" we need to ask "How as someone who is not of your faith and does not wish to be a part of your faith co-exist in this shared earth?" that's the million dollar question. Back to The Passion here is something I found today...you might find it interesting: www.witchvox.com/media/thepassion.htmlWhat's important to bear in mind in regard to "The Passion" is that it is a movie, one man's vision and interpretation of a given set of events. It wasn't written or filmed by deity and it isn't stamped with any divine seal of approval. It's unlikely that DVDs of "The Passion" will start being included in a pocket along with the Bible. "The Passion" is a film like "The Matrix" or "Star Wars." I can't get into Mel Gibson's head and know what he has been thinking, but I'm sure all of the publicity that would come with making a film on a touchy subject must have crossed his mind. Maybe that's the Pagan in me, that I can be so detached. I certainly don't fault anyone who feels they've gotten something of a divine experience from seeing this film. But regardless, it's still a film, a Hollywood product wrapped, cut, and shipped out to thousands of theaters across the United States. I could be wrong, but I'm not aware of any cut of the profits earmarked for Christian charities. If Mel wanted to be taken seriously as trying to get a message across to millions, he might have started by showing his film free of charge. "The Passion" is trapped in the money-generating machine, and I, even as a Pagan, think that's a tragedy for the Christian faith. Towards the end of the film I had something of an epiphany. Maybe the trick to appreciating "The Passion" is to not feel bound to it by faith. The film is an emotional hurricane, but it seemed to me that those emotions were more attuned to primal humanity than any kind of spiritual belief. We'd all like to think that people in general would feel compassion for a suffering man. That cuts across all superficial divisions like creed or gender or race and goes right to what we all have in common - our humanity. Here is an interesting theory for all you heathens: The Passion as Roman Sacrifice www.witchvox.com/media/thepassion2.html |
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Post by Amphagorey on Mar 16, 2004 11:49:34 GMT -5
EXACTLY! I compleatly agree with Kobo's article. This is what I've been trying to say, but sadly at the 8th grade level can't quite word properly.
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Post by Nate2632 on Mar 16, 2004 19:16:38 GMT -5
Another religious movie (kind of) is Dogma. It explains your million dollar question. It is based on your question.
God gave us free will, to follow him, or someone else.
In the movie, Ben Affleck and Matt Damon (who are angles) are arguing over this, because its not fair how God gave us (humans) free will to do what we like, but the angles had no choice, they were his warriors.
Any more questions, pick up a copy of the christian or chatholic bible.
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Post by Amphagorey on Mar 16, 2004 19:19:24 GMT -5
Matt Damon and Ben Afflek were ANGELS! Not angels. And no, it dosn't really answer the question. You took that movie compleatly out of context.
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Post by ElizabethElfleda on Mar 16, 2004 20:11:40 GMT -5
I finally watched the Passion about a week ago, so now I feel I'm qualified to give my opinion. I don't see why there is so much fuss over this movie. The story of Jesus has been around for 2000 years, I didn't think this was a story that people never heard before. It simply re-tells the story of the man Jesus from Mel's viewpoint. Every year hundreds of thousands of Christians do the whole Easter Sunday Ressurection mass. How do they think Jesus died? Quietly in his sleep, of old age? Why is this movie causing such a stir?? There were no dazzling special effects. There were no breathtaking computer generated whirly-gigs or hoo-doos. As far as the violence issue, this film isn't much worse than some of the tv programs Americans watch on a daily basis. This film is well written, directed and acted. In my eyes the best part of the movie is when Jesus was making the table. He was so human at that point. I think that affected me more than anything else in the entire movie. I thought what Pilate did was horrible, betraying an innocent man. I thought how Jesus died was awful. This movie didn't inspire some well-spring of faith in me. Maybe it's because I don't belive that Jesus was the son of God. This was a good movie, but to me, that is all it was. Now on to the following quote. Actually I have nothing of substance to add other than this, and it's something I've learned in my month away from you. Any religion that is not Christian (and some that are) are devil worship. You are going to hell if you don't believe what they believe and aren't saved by their lord and saviour. Nothing is going to change this perception, so instead of shouting "we as Pagans do not worship the devil" we need to ask "How as someone who is not of your faith and does not wish to be a part of your faith co-exist in this shared earth?" that's the million dollar question. Thank you, Kobolos. I wish everybody would take the same stance, but then the world would be pretty peaceful and boring. We don't want that happening, now, do we? I'm one of the people who have researched Christianity. I've gone way back to the roots. I found a man who claimed to be the son of God. I found the words his followers claim he spoke. I don't agree with everything I found. Not all of it is good, not all of it is bad. It's like a cherry pie. You don't throw the whole pie away because you find a few pits. |
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Post by Kobolos on Mar 16, 2004 21:34:32 GMT -5
Another religious movie (kind of) is Dogma. It explains your million dollar question. It is based on your question. God gave us free will, to follow him, or someone else. In the movie, Ben Affleck and Matt Damon (who are angles) are arguing over this, because its not fair how God gave us (humans) free will to do what we like, but the angles had no choice, they were his warriors. Any more questions, pick up a copy of the christian or chatholic bible. I have no idea what you are trying to say...I let three other people read that post and we still don't know...I'll try to explain as best I can: Nate, Kevin Smith was attacked for such blasphemy...you missed my point. Christians are not going to see Dogma as a religious epiphany. Nor are we as non-Christians going to change their minds...It's moot to try and explain our religion and for Christians to accept us as equals, so how can we co-exist without one trying to rule over, exterminate, or convert the other? BTW, Where can I find the chatholic bible? |
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Post by Celinra on Mar 17, 2004 15:42:07 GMT -5
Any religion that is not Christian (and some that are) are devil worship. You are going to hell if you don't believe what they believe and aren't saved by their lord and saviour. Nothing is going to change this perception, so instead of shouting "we as Pagans do not worship the devil" we need to ask "How as someone who is not of your faith and does not wish to be a part of your faith co-exist in this shared earth?" that's the million dollar question. That is a good point, and I agree. As I've said, my beliefs are Christian, and that I think anyone who isn't a Christian is going to Hell after they die. That being said, I don't see why we can't get along during life. It's a person's own choice to make, and whatever choice they make doesn't necessarily make them a bad person. Neither of my two best friends are Christian, but we still get along great, despite our differences in belief. We're even able to have civil discussions about what we believe, not necessarily trying to convince the other person, but explaining our stance on the whole matter. If only this would work on a larger scale in the world, everything would be great. Ironically, Kevin Smith is a Catholic. Also, he joined in one of the protests against Dogma. No one recognized him, and a reporter even interviewed him. He said that he didn't like the blasphemy and that sort of thing, but added that he did like Kevin Smith's other movies. |
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Post by Amphagorey on Mar 17, 2004 15:54:32 GMT -5
That's funny.
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Post by Nate2632 on Mar 17, 2004 19:30:50 GMT -5
im sorry, i misread your question. I thought you asked, how is it possible for people who don't belive in God to exists. My apologies. Anyway, to answer your question, just have knowledge of what you are talking about when you disscuss something with a christian. Know about there religion, and disscuss why you don't belive in God. Other than that, you can only accept the few people who believe that for who they are.
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Post by Nate2632 on Mar 17, 2004 19:31:41 GMT -5
You can also pick up a copy of the bible at Barnes and Noble, amazon.com, or borrow one from a motel.
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Post by White Wolf on Mar 17, 2004 20:15:12 GMT -5
Well, this may offend some people, but i though i must step in since I`m very religious, I believe in GOD, for all of you AThiest and people that say theya re there own religion, all i ahve to say is go to hell! and that is exactly what is aid to a couple people in school! You can feel god all aroudn you, each one of us is related! two people make babies, thsoe people make babies, thsoe people make babies, suddenly the whole world is populated. What really pisses me off is dumbass people like you! on talk shows, while I`m trying to get ready for school saying bullcrapola! like "We need to take Under God out of the pledge" and "The passion is a horrible movie that should be sued" and all those skinny twig guys that sit there with their little nasel voices, and magee about that! i punched an Athiestb girl at school jsut for saying "when you die all you do is get consumed by dirt" i got suspended for that one, but it expressed my rite! and i intend it cmpletly, i`m not big into church, because as a kid, it bores me, but i go just to be in GODs house and feel the power, i jsut sit there and read ASOUE! i think everyone should believe in the Lord, because one thing if hes really there, you wont burn for all eternity, adn you will be able to lvie for all eternity in heaven, all the Lord asks for his for people to believe in him, not to take his ame out of the pledge, and let very brillient men make movies about him, ok i`m rambling, so i`ll jsut say Sorry for offending any of you non-christians, I`ll shut up now  |
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Post by Madamluna on Mar 17, 2004 20:23:28 GMT -5
Well, this may offend some people, but i though i must step in since I`m very religious, I believe in GOD, for all of you AThiest and people that say theya re there own religion, all i ahve to say is go to hell! Whoa. You know, you coulda just...kinda...just...phrased all that a little more nicely to save yourself the trouble of apologizing and adding a little emoticon to the end. Considering as how I'm atheist and gosh gee willikers, I think your shouting and uncivil conduct has just managed to pierce the stony armor of my heart! I think I'll quit sacrificing my goats now and donate all my money to the nearest church! But seriously, that's no attitude to go through life with. Sure, think non-Christians are going to Hell if you want*. I don't mind that. It's just the way you should present your views should be more tolerant. Like what Kobolos said, he's got the right idea. He thinks atheists are going to Hell too, but he doesn't rant about it and whatnot. I think we should give him a gold star. *sticks a gold star on his head* Personally, I think Passion of the Christ is just a movie. One guy's interpretation of what happened to Jesu. That's it. Although our interfaith centers where I live did something nice--they put an ad for Passion in the paper, with a note saying that they didn't believe Jews were responsible for Jesu's death and such and such. It was nice of them. Also, since you mentioned God in the pledge--not to sidetrack the thread, but the only reason that was even put IN the pledge to begin with was to weed out Communists, who were all atheist and therefore wouldn't be able to take the pledge. That was during the Cold War. And now that the Cold War is over and I don't feel that evil Red Menace peeking over my shoulder, we should do something about it. It implies that Muslims, atheists, agnostics, Wiccans, pagans, etc. etc. etc. aren't good citizens because they don't believe in the cough cough hack wheeze One True Religion. |
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Post by Kobolos on Mar 17, 2004 21:43:39 GMT -5
actually, I don't think any of you are going to hell, that's not my schtick. I'm one of those reincarnation folks.  and whitefaced woman, I am hereby ignoring all of your incessant ramblings except for one point. Here is your lesson for today: Given tradition, it's not surprising that the original Pledge of Allegiance—meant as an expression of patriotism, not religious faith—also made no mention of God. The pledge was written in 1892 by the socialist Francis Bellamy, a cousin of the famous radical writer Edward Bellamy. He devised it for the popular magazine Youth's Companion on the occasion of the nation's first celebration of Columbus Day. Its wording omitted reference not only to God but also, interestingly, to the United States: "I pledge allegiance to my flag and the republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." thanks for playing. |
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) into this movie, and its about to make 300 million. Im glad he brought it to theaters, because look at how much disscussion its caused, and its also made many people aware of the Christian religion. I could have sworn, in the past couple of weeks, my church has gotten like 100 new members. Thanks Mel. You've saved a lot of people!
