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Post by Dante on Apr 8, 2006 5:12:19 GMT -5
It'd fit in with the theme of identity confusion, and would really play on our lack of knowledge. That said, it seems too important - too key to the mystery - to just give away like that. Could have been a red herring, certainly. Anyway, I feel that it'd be interesting and could allow Handler to play around with everything we were so certain of, but it does seem a little bit of a cheap twist. It'd depend how well it was done, I guess.
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Post by mysteriouscreep on Apr 9, 2006 8:07:32 GMT -5
Forgive me, but didn't we once have a discussion about Snicket's own Triptych, and ... well, I forget, but it was something like Beatrice was said to have been both burned in a fire, and throw from a window (not thrown from a window, INto a fire)? So maybe there are two Beatrice's - one who died in a fire, and the other who died from a fall?
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Post by Libitina on Apr 9, 2006 9:33:36 GMT -5
A while ago, I posted a theory that Beatrice was the name of two people that Snicket knew--one was his mother, the other his lover. Someone had said earlier that the secret to Beatrice was in the dedications, and in studying them, I found that some of the dedications suggested that Beatrice was his mother, such as "When we met, my life began. Soon after, yours ended." If Beatrice was his mother, then the first part of this dedication makes a lot of sense. Also note that Snicket's mother's name was never before mentioned. It's really interesting to see now that Handler is almost suggesting a bit of truth behind this theory, even if the second Beatrice isn't Snicket's mother.
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Post by Hanae on Apr 12, 2006 20:48:36 GMT -5
I don't think that Snicket would just give information like that away. He's usually always so sly and sneaky, or just a big trickster.
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Post by jacktripper FROZEN ACCOUNT on Apr 30, 2006 21:36:53 GMT -5
I think that Beatrice is two npeople in these books. One is the Baudelaires mother and the other is the love of Lemony's life. What do you think? Send me a message.
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Post by Nicky on May 7, 2006 10:13:08 GMT -5
More than one Beatrice? But that doesn't make sense! I'm not sure about this, but almost anything is possible...
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Post by Libitina on May 7, 2006 11:58:35 GMT -5
More than one Beatrice? But that doesn't make sense! I'm not sure about this, but almost anything is possible... How does it not make any sense? It is quite possible that there are two people that have the same name. In fact, I think it is a very Snicket-esque thing to do, seeing as it adds a great deal more mystery to the series. It also explains why we have so little information about any character named Beatrice.
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Post by U T O P I A on May 7, 2006 12:09:51 GMT -5
I would much more prefer it if there was only one Beatrice, however, some of the evidence does point in the direction of there being two. For instance, as observed in the Offical Beatrice Letters Thread, on the front cover of this book is the image of two women (one that can clearly be seen, the other in the negative space). If, therefore, a book about Beatrice had two facial-outlines on its cover, then does that mean there are two? EDIT: I made a graphic that highlights the two different faces: ![](http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e62/cosmological/Beatrice2.jpg)
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Post by Dante on May 7, 2006 12:15:26 GMT -5
Although it would divide the tiny amount of knowledge we have about Beatrice in half, effectively - and we wouldn't even be quite sure what piece of evidence applied to which Beatrice. That does sound rather Snicket-y, actually, but I'm not sure if it works so well if we know barely anything at all. And I remain suspicious of whether such a secret would be let out now when it's supposed to be a big twist. Although Handler might not have expected it to leak out onto the Internet, as I imagine quite a few things don't.
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Post by U T O P I A on May 7, 2006 12:30:47 GMT -5
I agree, the confussion would really ruin the entire Beatrice story-line. The fact that he has written this tale of forbidden romance and evil women with sugarbowls and deadly fires makes it so amazing and beautiful, yet still so romantic. Then, if he add that a Beatrice was his mother, I will be wondering at the incest issues...(whenever he mentions Beatrice, it always seems as though she is a love interest).
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Post by pumpitboy1 on May 13, 2006 15:30:15 GMT -5
just a suggestion... maybe beatrice is count olaf?? you think? remeber when lemony was shouting "beatrice, count olaf is..." do you think he could have possibly said "beatrice, count olaf is you??" the clues on the pdf document say snicket grew up with a terrible villian... well?? haha it also says that josephine's mother and law had one eyebrow! this is strange!!
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Post by lauren on May 13, 2006 22:01:59 GMT -5
Haha, yeah I can just imagine it "Beatrice, Count Olaf is Beatrice, everyone!" says Lemony as he runs frantically up and down the streets of V.F.D informing everyone of his new discovery. I mean who says Olaf can't disguise as a rather attractive young female. But no, good idea but I don't think that is going to happen for there are too many reasons against the theory.
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Post by Dante on May 14, 2006 3:02:05 GMT -5
I mean who says Olaf can't disguise as a rather attractive young female. Sir certainly thinks he's capable of this. But yeah, that's quite obviously a joke. Unless you made some huge twists with narrator unreliability, but it'd be nonsensical and self-indulgent.
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Post by Akbar Le Grey on May 14, 2006 4:34:37 GMT -5
Wasn't this mentioned before? I remember some-one theorizing that since the dedications to Beatrice are different, there could be two different Beatrices. Seems plausible, though.
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Post by pumpitboy1 on May 14, 2006 14:21:10 GMT -5
i think lemony killed beatrice though because in one of his dedications he said something like "our love broke my heart and killed you"
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