Antenora
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Post by Antenora on Aug 17, 2004 10:29:46 GMT -5
Well if one teeny tiny insect is important, in a '"web of inter-connectedness", on this vast earth then why wouldn't a mircoscopic planet's inhabitants be important in this colossal universe? We the earthlings wouldn't be important to the whole galaxy or universe because(at the moment) we can't travel very far beyond our planet or out of the solar system. The earth is a closed system, like a house with the doors and windows closed.
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Antenora
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Post by Antenora on Aug 17, 2004 13:50:06 GMT -5
I just thought of something: What if intelligent aliens actually found the Pioneer spacecraft that carried a message from humanity to the cosmos? (To continue the "closed house" metaphor, it's like a paper airplane thrown out a slightly open window) That would certainly effect them, and if they were indeed advanced enough to find it in the vastness of space, it could effect other civilizations of aliens, which would have repercussion, including alien visitations to Earth. I believe that there is other intelligent life out there, although I'm a bit skeptical about all those alien abduction reports.
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moderndaymiracle
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Post by moderndaymiracle on Aug 23, 2004 18:42:10 GMT -5
wow, im hoping that no one seriously believes in aliens, or whatever you want to call them. The idea seems incredibly absurd to me. There is a God, and it is not arroget to believe that He exists. Its only sensible. How can a world this fitting to the needs of humanity exist ar be created simply on its own? That thought it unrealistic. Think of all the parts of a human organism, the eye, the brain, even your hands an fingers. That was all made so perfectly by mistake? Youve got to be kidding me. Human life is singnifcant, more singificant than the whales and piping plovers we work so hard to protect. What about the aborted babies? Look into the research about fetuses and it will tell you that they are living from the very early stages of pregnancy, adn that they experience feelings and pein during abortions. So what are we really doing by aborting children? We are commiting murder. Commiting murder is a crime, is it not? So why do we act like it's no big deal to have an abortion? Most of the time, the anwser is that a child would inconvienience us. Maybe we were irresponsible and stupid, got drunk and laid, and then pregnant. But, gasp, a child would mess up our scheduel, so well just kill it. Thats obscene and stupid. Every human life is of value.
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Antenora
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Post by Antenora on Aug 23, 2004 19:20:40 GMT -5
Some people seriously do believe in aliens. We should accept the possibility of their existance, and since the universe is so huge there's almost certain to be other civilizations out there.
Just a random thought on abortion: I believe that when a fetus dies before pregnancy is over, its soul(assuming it has one) is reborn almost immediatly into a new body, so it quickly gets another chance at life. This idea may strike you(plural) as a bit odd, but it seems logical to me.
And I believe that the reason this world is so "fitting" for humanity is because we evolved to fit into it.
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Post by BSam on Aug 23, 2004 20:57:20 GMT -5
Some people seriously do believe in aliens. We should accept the possibility of their existance, and some people seriously do not beleive in god. We should accept the possibility of his/her/its non-existance
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Luigi
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Post by Luigi on Aug 23, 2004 21:00:58 GMT -5
wow, im hoping that no one seriously believes in aliens, or whatever you want to call them. The idea seems incredibly absurd to me. There is a God, and it is not arroget to believe that He exists. Its only sensible. How can a world this fitting to the needs of humanity exist ar be created simply on its own? That thought it unrealistic. Think of all the parts of a human organism, the eye, the brain, even your hands an fingers. That was all made so perfectly by mistake? Youve got to be kidding me. Human life is singnifcant, more singificant than the whales and piping plovers we work so hard to protect. What about the aborted babies? Look into the research about fetuses and it will tell you that they are living from the very early stages of pregnancy, adn that they experience feelings and pein during abortions. So what are we really doing by aborting children? We are commiting murder. Commiting murder is a crime, is it not? So why do we act like it's no big deal to have an abortion? Most of the time, the anwser is that a child would inconvienience us. Maybe we were irresponsible and stupid, got drunk and laid, and then pregnant. But, gasp, a child would mess up our scheduel, so well just kill it. Thats obscene and stupid. Every human life is of value. I believe in aliens more than I believe in God. C: Have anything else to say? Something, important? J: No. I'm just commenting on his shallowness.
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Antenora
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Post by Antenora on Aug 23, 2004 21:33:57 GMT -5
and some people seriously do not beleive in god. We should accept the possibility of his/her/its non-existance Good points, Sam and J. It's true that we can never be entirely certain of the existance of either aliens or supreme beings, at least not in this century or lifetime. I'm not sure what else to say.
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moderndaymiracle
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Post by moderndaymiracle on Aug 24, 2004 8:32:04 GMT -5
i believe there is a higher life form because im a christian. No, its not becuase ive been force fed christianity my whole life, its because i made the decision to accept Jesus Christ into my life, and he changed me. Believing that the world was made by accident, or that humans were made by accidents is silly. Its like saying that a tornado can go through a junk yard and assemble a brand new car. Sure, all the parts may have been sitting in the dump, but they dont all just fly together because they cn be something. I'd also like one thing about evolution explained to me. Yes, i do believe in evolution among a species, but i cannot believe in evolution between species. Say that we did form from monkeys, then why arent there half monkey half humans out there, still in the midst of the evolution process? We are tought that evolution takes millions of years, so im sure that monkeys should still be evolving to humans, and there should be some out there who arent quite one or the other. But there arent. So how's it happen?
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Post by BSam on Aug 24, 2004 8:51:42 GMT -5
i believe there is a higher life form because im a christian. No, its not becuase ive been force fed christianity my whole life, its because i made the decision to accept Jesus Christ into my life, and he changed me. Believing that the world was made by accident, or that humans were made by accidents is silly. Its like saying that a tornado can go through a junk yard and assemble a brand new car. Sure, all the parts may have been sitting in the dump, but they dont all just fly together because they cn be something. I'd also like one thing about evolution explained to me. Yes, i do believe in evolution among a species, but i cannot believe in evolution between species. Say that we did form from monkeys, then why arent there half monkey half humans out there, still in the midst of the evolution process? We are tought that evolution takes millions of years, so im sure that monkeys should still be evolving to humans, and there should be some out there who arent quite one or the other. But there arent. So how's it happen? dunno ask a scientist who specialises in that
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Post by MelonB1088 on Aug 24, 2004 10:34:22 GMT -5
i believe there is a higher life form because im a christian. No, its not becuase ive been force fed christianity my whole life, its because i made the decision to accept Jesus Christ into my life, and he changed me. Believing that the world was made by accident, or that humans were made by accidents is silly. Its like saying that a tornado can go through a junk yard and assemble a brand new car. Sure, all the parts may have been sitting in the dump, but they dont all just fly together because they cn be something. I'd also like one thing about evolution explained to me. Yes, i do believe in evolution among a species, but i cannot believe in evolution between species. Say that we did form from monkeys, then why arent there half monkey half humans out there, still in the midst of the evolution process? We are tought that evolution takes millions of years, so im sure that monkeys should still be evolving to humans, and there should be some out there who arent quite one or the other. But there arent. So how's it happen? M: We didn't evolve from monkeys. We and the rest of the primates evolved from a common ancestor. There are no middling creatures surviving because they weren't as well-adapted to their surroundings. Endy: Also: life is exactly like a tornado assembling a car. It's highly unlikely, but it will happen sometime, if you're given an infinate amount of time. This is like the popular saying that if you put a thousand monkeys at a thousad typewriters, they'd eventually write all of Shakespere's plays (or something) That's also why I believe in other life forms. There's an infinate amount of space and time, so why shouldn't life happen twice? Or, in fact, an infinate amount of times? We know that there are an infinate number of planets in an infinate amount of space (if indeed space is infinate, which is debatable, but for my purposes, let's say it is.) Now, not all planets can support any amount of life. This doesn't matter. In an infinate amount of space, there is an infinate amount of everything. Then, there's the multiverse theory, which I adamently believe in, but adding that to this post just might make my head explode. M: This argument brought to you by an hour of thinking that hurt my head. Endy: If that makes any sense to you, congratulations. It's gibberish to me, even though I wrote it.
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Post by Luigi on Aug 24, 2004 10:49:17 GMT -5
do believe in evolution among a species, but i cannot believe in evolution between species. Say that we did form from monkeys, then why arent there half monkey half humans out there, still in the midst of the evolution process? C: Oh, god....WE ARE HALF MONKEY, HALF HUMANS SO TO SPEAK AND YOU SOUND LIKE JEROME. EVOLUTION DOESN'T HAPPEN IN A DAY, AND YOU CAN SEE IT IN AN IMMEDIATE AMOUNT OF TIME. J: Anyway, we're not special. Think about the universe and how vastly infinite it is. You can't. It's huge, let's look at it this way. The univer is EVERYTHING. And, in EVERYTHING, Earth is the only planet that has life? It isn't likely. Sure, aliens might not come to out planet with their peace and knowledge or war and destruct-o-tools. They might be so far away, in the deeper reaches of the universe that a whole lifetimes of Earth would not be able to reach. But they are out there.
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Antenora
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Post by Antenora on Aug 24, 2004 12:34:45 GMT -5
I agree, J. Miracle does sound like Jerome, a bit. I'd also like one thing about evolution explained to me. Yes, i do believe in evolution among a species, but i cannot believe in evolution between species. Say that we did form from monkeys, then why arent there half monkey half humans out there, still in the midst of the evolution process? We are tought that evolution takes millions of years, so im sure that monkeys should still be evolving to humans, and there should be some out there who arent quite one or the other. But there arent. So how's it happen? It's a common fallacy that humans evolved from modern monkeys, but as M said all primates we have today evolved from a common ancestor. What scientists are uncertain of is how humans became so intelligent in a relatively short time, and if evolution is usually quick or gradual. I think its pace varies depending on things like random mutations. In fact, the human brain may have resulted from a mutation. Some believe that humans--and other creatures--are still evolving, but of course it's too slow a process to observe. Some information on the origins of humans. As for life forming randomly, there have been experiments that prove that the components of life--organic carbon molecules--fit together easily in certain patterns, which become proteins. This is probably rather unlikely to happen, but given a space as large as the universe and a few billion years, life could happen multiple times. Like M, I believe in the multiverse theory, the idea that there are alternate universes representing all possibilities.
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Post by Addieor on Aug 24, 2004 19:18:57 GMT -5
I agree with J about MDM sounding like Jerome. And, because I just HAVE to say this and let Celinra and Swans and J do all that debating stuff, I must say this: Did J.C. change you to be more annoying. There.
And someone already said the scale thing, so there's that. And, since don't know exactly how large the Universe is, I can't compare the Universe to Earth.
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moderndaymiracle
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Post by moderndaymiracle on Aug 25, 2004 10:05:14 GMT -5
so our so called "common anscester" doesnt exist any more? If we are truely the highest life form, why arent all the animals evolving to becom humans? HOW are we half human, half monkey? You people are so confusing. Stick to one theory, please. Now, whoever said that a tornado can make a car, the day it happens , show me and i will believe it. It simply can happen! its impossible. sorry. And back to the importance of human life, there are scriptures referencing to human's importance. The bible says "You knit me together in my mothers womb. I praise you for i am fearfully and wonderfully made." In the story of sampson, God says He ordained Sampson before birth to be set apart and Holy for the Lord. These scriptures point to the fact that God cares for all of us individually, and we are important.
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Post by MelonB1088 on Aug 25, 2004 10:28:32 GMT -5
so our so called "common anscester" doesnt exist any more? If we are truely the highest life form, why arent all the animals evolving to becom humans? HOW are we half human, half monkey? You people are so confusing. Stick to one theory, please. Now, whoever said that a tornado can make a car, the day it happens , show me and i will believe it. It simply can happen! its impossible. sorry. And back to the importance of human life, there are scriptures referencing to human's importance. The bible says "You knit me together in my mothers womb. I praise you for i am fearfully and wonderfully made." In the story of sampson, God says He ordained Sampson before birth to be set apart and Holy for the Lord. These scriptures point to the fact that God cares for all of us individually, and we are important. M: No. Our common ancestor doesn't exist anymore. It wasn't well-suited for its environment. Endy: Who said we were the highest life form? Even if we were, the other animals wouldn't be evolving into humans. They'd be evolving into things that can compete with humans for food and land. A giant bear, for an example. M: We might still be evolving into higher life-forms. Endy: The tornado-makes-a-car thing was just an example. As I said--if given infinate time, it would happen someday. It is HIGHLY IMPROBABLE, but it wqould EVENTUALLY HAPPEN. M: So...the bible is right because it says it's right? (Blatently stolen from J.) That's a prime example of circular logic. You may personally think that the bible is the source of all knowledge, but we're Atheists, and to us, the bible is just an old book written by nuts.
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