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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Mar 16, 2007 20:48:21 GMT -5
*shrug* I still want to know what happened to Alatar and Pallando. They were as powerful as Sauron but were forbidden to use their full power.
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Post by Zaid on Mar 18, 2007 15:58:46 GMT -5
How come? If Saruman was their chief ... and he wasn't as powerful as Sauron ... how could the Blue Wizards be?
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Post by scottifer on Mar 18, 2007 16:43:59 GMT -5
I like wizards best.
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Mar 18, 2007 20:16:24 GMT -5
All 5 wizards were just as powerful as Sauron. But the higher powers who sent them forbade them to match Sauron's power with their own, the idea here was to unite the peoples of Middle Earth to overcome their foe rather than just waging a huge magic fight.
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Post by Zaid on Mar 19, 2007 13:38:27 GMT -5
Actually, I went and looked it up on Wikipedia and all that. It's a shame, if they had used their powers then Middle Earth might not have been so destroyed as it was ... do you think so?
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Mar 19, 2007 20:47:07 GMT -5
It's difficult to say. If they had used their powers there's no guarantee that Middle Earth wouldn't have split or otherwise been harmed cataclysmically by such a fight.
But yes it would've been a quicker resolution. Quicker yet if the armies of the West had actually captured Sauron at the end of the First Age. Or if Isildur destroyed the ring at the end of the second.
But who knows. After the ring was destroyed all Middle Earth was united which may not have happened if five wizards just appeared and removed Sauron.
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Post by scottifer on Apr 8, 2007 18:11:01 GMT -5
but that what just make the trilogy not happen wouldn't it?
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Apr 11, 2007 20:46:55 GMT -5
Of course. But then Tolkien could have written more in depth about perhaps the First Age, the rise and fall of Numenor in the Second Age, the beginning of the Third Age. There's much more to Arda and Middle Earth specifically than just the lotr trilogy.
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Post by scottifer on Apr 30, 2007 19:47:19 GMT -5
yes, i know that. i do want to see the beginning of middle earth nad all that peaceful happy jazz, until OH MY GOSH its morogth, then sauron, then whoever is next in evil peoples in middle earth.
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truthson
Bewildered Beginner
If we all fight fire, with fire the world will go up in smoke.
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Post by truthson on May 9, 2007 12:33:52 GMT -5
What happen to the uver wizards apart from Gandalf and Saruman? (eg the blue ones and Radagast) And where are the blue wizards in the books?
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on May 9, 2007 21:16:23 GMT -5
The blue wizards are only mentioned once in the trilogy, when Saruman's making fun of Gandalf: And I suppose you want the keys to Barad dur itself, and the crowns of the seven kings and the rods of the five wizards! The blue wizards do not appear because they passed east of mordor long ago, tales of such land are not told. I wish they were. No one knows what happened to them, it's possible they were subverted by Sauron or were just lost. I dunno what happens to Radagast. It looks like he's still hanging with the animals of Middle Earth.
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Post by scottifer on May 13, 2007 20:02:03 GMT -5
oh aweshum. i still like wizards best
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on May 16, 2007 15:02:47 GMT -5
Mm. The maiar(the five wizards were maiar) and the valar(those greater than the maiar) live in the Undying Lands which is why I want to go there.
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Post by scottifer on May 16, 2007 20:28:49 GMT -5
I'll come with you and we will be Maiar buddies! ;D
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on May 19, 2007 21:31:36 GMT -5
Well we wouldn't be maiar we'd just be men. Only Earendil, Elwing, and their sons got to pick if they were elves or humans. And maybe Tuor.
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