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Post by Kount Kelsey on Aug 14, 2008 9:08:34 GMT -5
did esma no about the elavator shatf before the baudelaires came??? and... did esma no about the path to the baudelaires burnt down house??? ( i no olaf did and im preety sure her burnt the house down and used that path to get there so ther wouldnt catch him!!!!
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Post by Dante on Aug 14, 2008 9:13:49 GMT -5
Yes, she knew all about the ersatz elevator shaft and the passageway to the Baudelaire mansion; securing that passageway was the only reason she married Jerome.
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lilly67
Bewildered Beginner
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Post by lilly67 on Aug 27, 2008 15:21:03 GMT -5
ok hey
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Post by Liam R. Findlay on Oct 17, 2008 13:52:01 GMT -5
And I doubt she burnt down the Baudelaire mansion, as Esm'e and Jerome had only moved into 667 Dark Avenue just before the Baudelaires came.
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Post by Dante on Oct 18, 2008 3:06:05 GMT -5
And I doubt she burnt down the Baudelaire mansion, as Esm'e and Jerome had only moved into 667 Dark Avenue just before the Baudelaires came. Or did they? Let's review. Jerome was already living in 667 Dark Avenue when Esmé married him - which, as we've deduced, was because, she wanted to secure the 667-Baudelaire tunnel and/or the floor above the penthouse... which isn't to say she necessarily used either, just that she might have wished to close off a potential escape route and safe place. And Jerome says that he wanted to adopt the Baudelaires as soon as he heard the fire, but couldn't as orphans weren't in at the time. This indicates that he and Esmé had already gotten married and were living in the penthouse at the time of the Baudelaire fire. So, how to reconcile this with the Squalors having moved into the penthouse just a few weeks before? There are a couple of ways. One can probably count the lengths of the first five books in such a way as to fit them into something amounting to "a few weeks" - let's say seven max. TRR took around ten days canonically (somewhere around ten, it depends how you count them), and most of the books are quite short apart from an ambiguous period of, usually, "a few days" or something like that near the start. So you could probably fit it together. Alternatively, Esmé and Jerome went on a long honeymoon.
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Post by Kount Kelsey on Oct 18, 2008 15:01:42 GMT -5
well that is true but the tunnel was not there when it was just jerome at 667 when esme married him during there honey moon thats when count olof came and built the tunnel and burnt down the house because they had already finished there honey moon when he wanted to adopt ( and of course the only reason esme merried jerome was to get to the baulelaire fortune)
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Post by Dante on Oct 18, 2008 16:17:16 GMT -5
I'm not sure I agree; while Olaf's done some remarkable things in a short amount of time off-screen, it's generally believed that the passageway between 667 Dark Avenue and the Baudelaire Mansion existed before Jerome even bought the penthouse (which he did at the insistence of Jacques Snicket, suggesting there was some important secret besides extraordinarily good value for money). Remember, there was also such a passageway between the Quagmire and Montgomery mansions, and the Quagmire parents certainly knew about theirs because they hid Quigley in it.
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Post by Kount Kelsey on Jan 25, 2009 19:06:41 GMT -5
ok 1 thing... how was jerome never suspicious about the elevator never getting fixed and didnt he see esme and olaf using it
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Post by Dante on Jan 26, 2009 2:59:51 GMT -5
The elevator didn't need fixing; it was just "out," unfashionable, and Jerome was easily bullied by his wife into seeing this as okay. I think he was usually out when Esmé and Olaf would have been using the ersatz elevator, although I think there's one point in the book when he would have had to walk right past a string of his neckties and elevator cords tied to his doorknob and leading down the empty elevator shaft.
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Post by cwm on Jan 26, 2009 10:48:10 GMT -5
it's generally believed that the passageway between 667 Dark Avenue and the Baudelaire Mansion existed before Jerome even bought the penthouse. It (the building) must have been built that way, surely? It's not like you can remove an elevator and leave just the empty shaft and dig a tunnel across a town in a few hours. Not to mention that the second pair of elevator doors, which could only stop at the top floor and yet still had the 'up' button, were already existing.
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Post by Dante on Jan 26, 2009 13:20:43 GMT -5
I was understating a little. Of course 667 Dark Avenue must have been built that way; it's quite ridiculous to think that the second elevator shaft could have been built in secret by one person long after the building's construction. (There are potential related issues with the underwater catalogue and the Hotel Denouement, but I'm not going there.) I assume that 667 Dark Avenue was constructed by V.F.D., with the ersatz elevator linking the Baudelaire mansion, the "floor above the penthouse" mentioned in the U.A., and the ersatz penthouse as a secret exit.
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Post by Kount Kelsey on Jan 26, 2009 18:36:51 GMT -5
ok that help but heres a question how did the baudelaires end up in the elevator shaft ( sorry i have forgotten some of the details of the stories i have to reread that series)...!
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Post by Dante on Jan 27, 2009 2:59:06 GMT -5
I think that that's a question best answered by rereading TEE, baudelaire35. It's no mystery how the Baudelaires got into the elevator shaft. They went through the doors. ...Specifically speaking, you open the ersatz elevator shaft with the redundant(?) up button, and from there the Baudelaires needed to construct a rope, although they were later pushed down into a net.
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Post by Kount Kelsey on Jan 28, 2009 18:05:13 GMT -5
ok this book i bought i will try to go back and check tghat out ... here's another theory. Olaf's crew dressed up as elevator construction peeps whatever you choose to call them. Went (in costume) and built the passage way to the baudelaire home.
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