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Post by Christmas Chief on Nov 28, 2009 14:57:23 GMT -5
In the last entry of the Baudelaire parents handwriting, Beatrice writes "...I have been heartbroken before." and somehow the Baudelaires ponder over what she meant by that. It seemed pretty straightforward to me- but the Baudelaires find it perplexing. Surely they don't think their mother had a perfect life and therefore never experienced any heartbreak? Or maybe it had some connection to one of the previous entries Snicket never specifies on. Or, you could link it to Olaf's "I've been hurt before." and look at it as some sort of code, but if so, what could it lead to?
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Post by Dante on Nov 28, 2009 15:58:59 GMT -5
I assume that the Baudelaires were confused because it was yet another secret from their parents' early lives - they'd never heard of Lemony Snicket, as we now know (despite indications elsewhere), and that's part of the reason they took it as a signal to return to the mainland - to continue finding out what there was to know, to keep on learning.
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Post by Hermes on Nov 28, 2009 18:35:32 GMT -5
I guess it sounds as if she's referring to something specific - as we know she us, her breakup with Lemony - but they don't know what. When Sunny says 'You know what heartbroken means' she may be reminding Klaus about Fiona, who is mentioned several times as breaking Klaus's heart.
I think there is a link with 'I've been hurt before', but it's not a code - just one of the parallel stories which a lot is made of in The End.
As for Lemony - they haven't heard his first name; it doesn't follow they haven't heard of him at all. Several people, including Captain Widdershins and Ishmael, have mentioned him, but always as Jacques' or Kit's brother.
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Post by Christmas Chief on Nov 29, 2009 11:33:42 GMT -5
I assume that the Baudelaires were confused because it was yet another secret from their parents' early lives - they'd never heard of Lemony Snicket, as we now know (despite indications elsewhere), and that's part of the reason they took it as a signal to return to the mainland - to continue finding out what there was to know, to keep on learning. What I'm saying is the rest of the entry is equally confunding- the Baudelaires could have chosen to single out any sentence... why that one? I think there is a link with 'I've been hurt before', but it's not a code - just one of the parallel stories which a lot is made of in The End. That's probably right; it could just be a certain phrasing that get's around. I find it odd the name 'Lemony Snicket' wasn't mentioned anywhere in A Series of Unfortunate Events. He must have played some important part in Beatrice's life, so I'm surprised she didn't mention him at all. And if not Beatrice, someone had to have mentioned him; I find it hard to believe he'd always be referred to as Jacques's or Kit's brother throughout a supposedly large book of entries. |
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Post by Dante on Nov 30, 2009 7:20:04 GMT -5
What I'm saying is the rest of the entry is equally confunding- the Baudelaires could have chosen to single out any sentence... why that one? Perhaps they could piece events together around the rest; the Baudelaire parents leaving the island is an event they'd already heard about, but any heartbreak on their parents' part wasn't something they were ever familiar with. I have a problem with this, too, and I'm pretty sure that at an earlier point the Baudelaires were meant to know who Lemony was - that is, the name itself would've held some meaning. But I guess Handler changed his mind, and maybe the Baudelaire parents chose to keep knowledge about Lemony to themselves? Again, I don't really buy it, but that's the way it is. |
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Post by Hermes on Nov 30, 2009 12:01:10 GMT -5
That Beatrice would be silent about her former boyfriend does not seem improbable to me.
The first time they hear of him in the series, I think, is in TVV when the Quagmires reveal that Jacques' surname is Snicket. One of the Baudelaires says 'That sounds familiar', and gets the reply 'He's the brother of a man who - ' So it sounds at this point as if they have heard of him. However, in the next book there are references to him in the Quagmire notebooks and in the Snicket file, and they don't go 'Oh, that must be...!', so I'm not convinced they are meant to know of him in any detail.
In TSS it becomes clear that Violet has heard 'The Little Snicket Lad' as a child. This may be the source of her knowledge of him. His first name is not mentioned in the song.
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