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Post by Seymour Glass on Apr 13, 2010 19:33:20 GMT -5
It certainly seems so. Esme obviously married Jerome because penthouses were in. I think Jerome married Esme because he didn't want to argue.
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Post by JTB on Apr 13, 2010 19:48:21 GMT -5
Welcome to Dark Avenue, freebird!  I agree. I think Jerome didn't want to argue with anyone, namely Jacques Snicket or Esme herself, and he didn't see the damage in marrying Esme. I don't think Esme, on the other hand, bought the penthouse just because they were In (they might've been at the time, I don't know), but I think she bought it because of its influence within V.F.D. - its strategic position over the tunnel to the Baudelaire mansion. Olaf would certainly have wanted her to buy it just for this reason. *expects Emma Squalor to burst in with Jesme fandom* ;D |
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Post by Tiago James Squalor on Apr 13, 2010 22:42:51 GMT -5
I believe, as it is hinted in The Unauthorized Autobiography, Esmé only married Jerome to gain access to his recently purchased penthouse at 667 Dark Avenue as instructed by Olaf, perhaps.
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Post by Emma “Emmz” Squalor on Apr 14, 2010 16:27:12 GMT -5
*expects Emma Squalor to burst in with Jesme fandom* ;D Here I am! I just noticed this thread, and there was no way I was going to pass up the opportunity to comment. Personally, I've always liked to believe that Jerome's marriage to Esme was based on her seduction over him, not to mention that he was terribly lonely to begin with. But I won't dismiss the idea of their marriage being based more on him not wanting to argue with her (and, let's face it - she's obviously the one who proposed to him ;D). Jenny and I were actually discussing this same idea once, and I think it's much more believable if you're going to stick strictly to the canon. I tend to combine the two, but such discussions are better left to other topics, I think. |
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Post by Christmas Chief on Apr 14, 2010 16:55:35 GMT -5
I believe, as it is hinted in The Unauthorized Autobiography, Esmé only married Jerome to gain access to his recently purchased penthouse at 667 Dark Avenue as instructed by Olaf, perhaps. I agree- however I'm more skeptical as to whether or not Olaf instructed this. If he and Esmé were together at the time, I doubt he would have told her to marry someone else only to gain access to 667 Dark Avenue. And if they weren't, I still don't think Esmé would marry someone only for this purpose. It's mystifying, the true reason for it, because there had to be some greater purpose, or perhaps something hidden in 667 besides the secret passageway. It seems as though she could have obtained all this without actually getting married. Or perhaps she wanted to recruit Jerome slowly into the bad side of V.F.D. He wouldn't argue, after all, and he could have some use full information that may have benefited their side. |
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Post by Emma “Emmz” Squalor on Apr 14, 2010 17:19:24 GMT -5
Wow, Sherry Ann. You've made some very good points I've never considered before, that make me want to go back and rethink those I've always believed.
I've always assumed that Olaf had "forced" Esme to marry Jerome. Now that you mention it, though, I don't see any real reason why it would even be necessary for them to marry in order for her to gain access to the penthouse. It seems much more plausible that Esme's intention would be to lure Jerome to the villainous side of V.F.D. I don't think he was ever a member, considering Jacques' secretiveness in his letter to Jerome in LSTUA. That would have made it twice as easy for Esme to get Jerome to join the villainous side of the schism. She probably would have used the same tactics she did in TCC when she recruited Colette, Kevin and Hugo into the troupe.
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Post by Tiago James Squalor on Apr 14, 2010 18:35:56 GMT -5
I also think, due to Jerome's somewhat dim-witted nature, and cluelessness, that he was never in V.F.D. to begin with, at least not prior to his adoption of the Baudelaires and the events of The Ersatz Elevator. His later enrollment with the organization and that of Justice Strauss seem to me as a failed attempt to make ammends with Jerome's character flaws, as he was really lame as a guardian to the Baudelaires, and in this Justice Strauss was even worse, as she did nothing to prevent the Baudelaires from being taken away by Mr.Poe.
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Post by Hermes on Apr 15, 2010 17:56:21 GMT -5
O and E were certainly associates before the marriage - the play of his in which she starred must have happened before that - but we can't tell whether they were romantically involved or not. It seems that Olaf had a relationahip with Lulu at some point in the intervening years, and it would be nice to think he had only one girlfriend at a time, but I'm afraid we can't be sure of that. (There's also the question of just what his relationship with Esme was at the time he was planning to marry Violet.)
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Post by Tiago James Squalor on Apr 15, 2010 21:53:04 GMT -5
O and E were certainly associates before the marriage - the play of his in which she starred must have happened before that - but we can't tell whether they were romantically involved or not. It seems that Olaf had a relationahip with Lulu at some point in the intervening years, and it would be nice to think he had only one girlfriend at a time, but I'm afraid we can't be sure of that. (There's also the question of just what his relationship with Esme was at the time he was planning to marry Violet.) I think that Olaf and Esmé sorta had lost contact over the years, and it was only after the events of The Auster Academy that he got back in touch with her and had her join his troupe, as his girlfriend. It seems plausible to me, because Olaf apparently had been very busy in the years between The World is Quiet Here and Esmé refered to him in TEE as his old 'dramatic arts professor', so I think they had just resumed their relationship from where they left it. |
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Post by bumblebee on Apr 21, 2010 6:17:56 GMT -5
From what I remember from TEE Esme mentioned that she was in the Opera when Baudelaire's parents killed Olaf's with the posioned darts, and I think she mentioned something about trying to stop them. I'd say that it means Olaf and Esme were involved, whether romantically or not we can only guess, but she must have known him back then.
As for the marriage matter, I think Jerome might have loved Esme romantically, and being the person he is he sure made Esme aware that he will give her whatever she wants, so she might have had married him because she knew he would do whatever she wants.
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Post by Dante on Apr 21, 2010 7:50:57 GMT -5
From what I remember from TEE Esme mentioned that she was in the Opera when Baudelaire's parents killed Olaf's with the posioned darts, and I think she mentioned something about trying to stop them. None of that ever happened. The opera plotline is completely new to TPP and you will never find any references to it before that book. |
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Post by bumblebee on Apr 21, 2010 8:01:21 GMT -5
I haven't read the books in a long time, that's why I might have been wrong, for which I'm sorry.
However, I still believe that Jerome loved Esme, but Esme was with him just because he would do whatever she wants him to do.
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Post by Emma “Emmz” Squalor on Apr 21, 2010 9:11:49 GMT -5
You aren't alone. Even though I agree with Sherry Ann's input, I still like to believe that Jerome married Esme because he loved her - a love which bordered on obsession. I also have this theory that Olaf was the one who first taught Esme to be manipulative. But anymore detail on that would stray away from canon and into fanon, so I won't get into it here. |
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Post by Hermes on Apr 21, 2010 11:47:40 GMT -5
From what I remember from TEE Esme mentioned that she was in the Opera when Baudelaire's parents killed Olaf's with the posioned darts, and I think she mentioned something about trying to stop them. None of that ever happened. The opera plotline is completely new to TPP and you will never find any references to it before that book. Nevertheless, Esme was there, apparently on the opposite side; Kit mentions hiding the poison darts from her. So this is evidence of E being active as a villain some way back (it's hard to say how far). But the play in which she starred with Olaf must be further back still, as it was before the Baudelaires were born. |
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Post by Seymour Glass on Apr 21, 2010 12:47:55 GMT -5
I haven't read the books in a long time, that's why I might have been wrong, for which I'm sorry. However, I still believe that Jerome loved Esme, but Esme was with him just because he would do whatever she wants him to do. They got married after only one night of dating. Jerome obviously wasn't in love with her when he married her. At least, not yet. |
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