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Post by Seymour Glass on May 7, 2010 15:10:41 GMT -5
In a couple of scenes, some random person kept mentioning her mother.
In court, she said "I submit my mother."
Did anyone else laugh whenever she mentions her mother?
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Post by Dante on May 7, 2010 15:56:50 GMT -5
On page 337, the Baudelaires hear "a woman call for her mother," so it seems that this person is actually female. Interesting that we would assume it was a man, were it not for that reference.
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Post by Seymour Glass on May 7, 2010 16:17:55 GMT -5
On page 337, the Baudelaires hear "a woman call for her mother," so it seems that this person is actually female. Interesting that we would assume it was a man, were it not for that reference. I didn't remember that part. I cracked up whenever she mentioned her mother. |
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Post by Very Funky Disco on May 7, 2010 23:26:04 GMT -5
Oh, yeah, that line makes me chuckle!  |
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Post by Invisible on May 9, 2010 11:55:10 GMT -5
It should have been "I submit your mother" XD "Your mum" jokes are overrated but I love them  |
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Post by Tiago James Squalor on May 9, 2010 22:04:10 GMT -5
It was a woman actually, and it's all intended as a joke, really. No hidden meanings behind it, or so I think.
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Post by JTB on May 11, 2010 22:15:44 GMT -5
I feel like a loser now - I always thought it was a symbolic reference to the dead Beatrice Baudelaire and her three children always wondering if she's still alive and thinking about her, or Beatrice II missing her mother Kit.
Anyways, I realize now I over-read far too much. ;D
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Post by Dante on May 12, 2010 1:09:33 GMT -5
I feel like a loser now - I always thought it was a symbolic reference to the dead Beatrice Baudelaire and her three children always wondering if she's still alive and thinking about her, or Beatrice II missing her mother Kit. Anyways, I realize now I over-read far too much. ;D Well, I guess you could make an argument for such a thematic reading, and I think it's a good thing that you actually constructed a reading of the lines which looked below the surface of the text. It could have those echoes, playing on the Baudelaires' own longing for their parents by featuring a person dependent on their own mother and looking to them in every situation. The character represents the opposite of the Baudelaires, who have had to start looking after themselves at too young an age. |
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Post by Tiago James Squalor on May 12, 2010 18:24:33 GMT -5
I feel like a loser now - I always thought it was a symbolic reference to the dead Beatrice Baudelaire and her three children always wondering if she's still alive and thinking about her, or Beatrice II missing her mother Kit. Anyways, I realize now I over-read far too much. ;D Well, I guess you could make an argument for such a thematic reading, and I think it's a good thing that you actually constructed a reading of the lines which looked below the surface of the text. It could have those echoes, playing on the Baudelaires' own longing for their parents by featuring a person dependent on their own mother and looking to them in every situation. The character represents the opposite of the Baudelaires, who have had to start looking after themselves at too young an age. I must say I quite loved reading your interpretation of the 'My Mother' jokes in TPP, Dante. I had never thought of them that way before. |
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Post by Christmas Chief on May 12, 2010 19:08:25 GMT -5
I thought that, if there was going to be a physical meaning behind it, it would be one of two things: That the said mother had some kind of evidence on her that the daughter had been skeptical about for some time, or that the daughter and mother had some plan that would take effect after the mother had been "submitted". The latter might have made an interesting situation, incidentally, should it have been put into motion.
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Post by manniewheel on Jul 4, 2010 13:03:04 GMT -5
To me, that's the one of the most unnerving things in TPP. To be submitted as evidence in a courtroom would mean that the mother is in no position to argue, and so is either asleep... or dead.
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Post by Hermes on Jul 5, 2010 12:01:08 GMT -5
Perhaps the mother wanted to be submitted. I remember as a chikld reading a story about a police officer who got very upset when his superior told him he was 'not evidence'. So this mother may have been pleased to think that she was evidence.
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Post by Seymour Glass on Jul 5, 2010 13:23:10 GMT -5
It was a woman actually, and it's all intended as a joke, really. No hidden meanings behind it, or so I think. I didn't really read into it. I thought it was just a mom joke thrown in there. |
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Post by Dante on Jul 5, 2010 13:32:40 GMT -5
My own reading of the mother's own place in these affairs was that she was somewhat oblivious to everything that was going on - she's sitting on a big pile of evidence, she's not sure how or why, but hey, that's just how it is.
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Post by Seymour Glass on Aug 3, 2010 11:26:12 GMT -5
If I ever meet Daniel Handler, I'll have to ask him about the whole mother thing.
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