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Post by Hermes on Sept 20, 2010 8:50:17 GMT -5
ON Dante's advice I am moving this discussion here. Family relationships (including marriage) on that chart are shown by a straight solid line, and seem fairly straightforward (though interestingly, Sir and Charles are shown as having one). The other relationships are more confusing (though I think this has been exaggerated - most of them make sense, it's just a few which are odd). Oh yes, many of them are quite simple--but it's difficult to understand, for example, why the line connecting Olaf, the sinister duo, and Justice Strauss is the same line that connects Isadora to Mr. Remora. I think that apart from the straight solid line for family relationships, the different kinds of line don't mean anything in particular - just 'connected with'. Most of the connections make sense. (Violet is connected to Quigley, and Klaus to Fiona. And quite right too  .) But there are some rather odd ones - Captain Widdershins to Hal; Mr Poe to Sir (but not to any other guardian). |
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Post by Dante on Sept 20, 2010 10:14:17 GMT -5
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Post by Hermes on Sept 20, 2010 12:19:45 GMT -5
I think this confirms my view that (apart from the straight solid ones) the kinds of line aren't significant. (Though even there there's a problem, in that Carmelita and Bruce should have a straight solid line. As, arguably, should Captain Widdershins and Fiona.)
This is helpful, though, in making the diagram less tangled and so easier to read.
It's sometimes hard to tell whether the lines are really meant to link individuals, or the groups to which they belong (e.g. Olaf's henchpeople).
One thing that has just struck me is that the Snickets aren't in the diagram at all. Are we meant to imagine that they compiled it?
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Post by Christmas Chief on Sept 20, 2010 15:08:22 GMT -5
One thing I find odd about this chart is the line from Hector--is this meant to signify the end? Also questionable is why the Village of Fowl Devotees is on the chart at all, since it has no lines drawn to or from it. It's sometimes hard to tell whether the lines are really meant to link individuals, or the groups to which they belong (e.g. Olaf's henchpeople). I think it depends on which characters are being linked. Count Olaf is, for instance, certainly connected to the white-faced women, but there isn't a line drawn directly to them--are we then meant to think he is linked to them through someone else, such as the Hook-handed Man? (The question, then, is where the chain stops.) That would make sense. (Would they neglect to include Ike, though?) |
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Post by allegedly bryan on Sept 21, 2010 15:43:02 GMT -5
I might be forgetting something, but why are justice strauss and jerome squalor connected? sir and mr poe? women with hair but no beard and justice strauss? or esme an elanora? (is this from when she tied he in the basement?)
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Post by Dante on Sept 21, 2010 15:54:39 GMT -5
Jerome and Justice work together in TPP to find the Baudelaires and bring the villains to justice. Sir and Mr. Poe - no ideas that shouldn't also apply to other characters (unless Mr. Poe's deal with Sir for him to take in the Baudelaires as workers constitutes a special case). Esmé and Eleanora - probably something to do with Esmé's exploitation of Geraldine Julienne, I agree.
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Post by Hermes on Sept 22, 2010 11:15:46 GMT -5
One you didn't mention, Dante - WWHBNB and Justice Strauss because they are both judges. (I guess we are really meant to see the link as connecting Strauss to both the sinister duo.) Eleanora is an admirer of Esme's, according to TUA, though it might have been better if Geraldine were included, as she has closer links with both of them. (Would they neglect to include Ike, though?) I think the chart includes only people alive at the start of the series. |
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Post by allegedly bryan on Oct 11, 2010 8:53:51 GMT -5
So might the solid lines mean encounters with each other?
Or do the line patterns not matter?
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Post by Dante on Oct 11, 2010 11:56:16 GMT -5
When did Quigley Quagmire ever encounter Mrs. Bass?
Although that's an unfair thing to say, since Quigley Quagmire never had anything to do with Mrs. Bass outside of her being his sister's teacher.
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Post by allegedly bryan on Oct 11, 2010 16:44:41 GMT -5
You could say while he was missing... but I doubt it.
So I guess the different types of lines don't matter?
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Post by Dante on Oct 12, 2010 3:25:49 GMT -5
Some of the line patterns seem consistent in areas, but not in others. It's probably best to say that the different line types don't matter, yeah.
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Post by Hermes on Oct 12, 2010 7:35:07 GMT -5
I think having different types of lines makes the diagram easier to read - if you had lots of lines of the same type crossing each other, it would be hard to tell which went where.
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Post by Dante on Oct 12, 2010 11:48:03 GMT -5
That figures. It also makes the chart look a lot more complicated than it actually is, which is a requirement for anything associated with aSoUE. Even if we can read it without complexity, for the story's sake we accept that in-universe it's a very complex situation.
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Post by Christmas Chief on Oct 12, 2010 18:11:58 GMT -5
I think having different types of lines makes the diagram easier to read... It also makes the chart look a lot more complicated than it actually is... I did wonder which it was. At first I thought the different lines made it more complicated than it needed to be, but then thought that the same line connecting all the names would be challenging indeed to sort out. I suppose it then serves a dual purpose. |
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Post by allegedly bryan on Oct 12, 2010 18:49:15 GMT -5
I think it would be to hard to read with all solid lines or all dashed.
Well, anyway it is without being split up it's difficult to read
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Family relationships (including marriage) on that chart are shown by a straight solid line, and seem fairly straightforward (though interestingly, Sir and Charles are shown as having one). The other relationships are more confusing (though I think this has been exaggerated - most of them make sense, it's just a few which are odd).
.) But there are some rather odd ones - Captain Widdershins to Hal; Mr Poe to Sir (but not to any other guardian). 
