halcyon
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Post by halcyon on Sept 1, 2011 15:26:07 GMT -5
I reread some of the books today. And I found that in the end of Austere Academy, when Klaus was running for the the Quagmires, he was holding their commonplace books, then dropped them so he could pull one of the Quagmires. Then the Quagmires said to look in their notebooks, and "VFD", which were the last words Klaus heard form the Quagmires as the car drove over the speed limit.
Then in Book Six, there was no mentioning of the common place books, which I found odd since well, the Quagmires told them to read it. It was only mentioned when the discovered the Quagmires in chapter eight of the 6th book, that had the Quagmires saying that they wrote in their common place books while imprisoned by Count Olaf on page 142 on the 6th books (THAT WASN'T WITH THEM AT THE END OF BOOK 5)).
I know that it doesn't really help solve up the mysteries in the book that wasn't revealed in The End. But, did Lemony Snicket/ Daniel Handler made a mistake/forgot about the common place books?
Or am I wrong and just reread them too quick?
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Post by Christmas Chief on Sept 1, 2011 16:17:03 GMT -5
After Klaus drops the notebooks, Olaf retrieves them. "As the door slammed shut, Olaf kicked Klaus in the stomach, sending him falling to the ground and landing with a rough thump! near the Quagmire notebooks he had dropped. The villain towered over Klaus and gave him a sickening smile, then leaned down, picked up the notebooks, and tucked them under his arm." - Chapter Thirteen. It's possible in TEE the Quagmires stole them back somehow, or perhaps obtained new ones.
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Post by Dante on Sept 1, 2011 16:23:43 GMT -5
I assume Olaf just let the Quagmires have their notebooks back as he assumed they could be of no use to them. Or he needed somewhere to put the notebooks and threw them in whatever confined space he was imprisoning the Quagmires within. I doubt he respected the Quagmires enough to consider that their notebooks might cause a problem to him later - nor respect the Baudelaires enough to consider that they might find the Quagmires again and acquire the notebooks (and indeed they never do get the notebooks - not really, anyway).
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halcyon
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Post by halcyon on Sept 1, 2011 17:09:57 GMT -5
After Klaus drops the notebooks, Olaf retrieves them. "As the door slammed shut, Olaf kicked Klaus in the stomach, sending him falling to the ground and landing with a rough thump! near the Quagmire notebooks he had dropped. The villain towered over Klaus and gave him a sickening smile, then leaned down, picked up the notebooks, and tucked them under his arm." - Chapter Thirteen. It's possible in TEE the Quagmires stole them back somehow, or perhaps obtained new ones. *facepalm* Oh, duhh. When I read that part, I thought Klaus had tucked it in. I was reading too quick, it was early in the morning, so... |
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Post by Christmas Chief on Sept 1, 2011 18:52:36 GMT -5
Worry not. I had to check the chronology, myself.
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Post by colette on Sept 3, 2011 23:34:07 GMT -5
Olaf could forget about them talking about V.F.D. and let them to take their notebooks. Our he just thought that they are not too dangerous.
BTW, Snicket did even more weird things. For example, mentioning lamps, delivered by Hal, in the letter to Editor at. The end of TVV but these lamps weren't mentioned in THH at all. Or saying that Sunny helped to prepare soup when they live in Caligari Caligari but in TCC while that soup was cooking, Baudelaires were busy.
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Post by Dante on Sept 4, 2011 5:12:18 GMT -5
Yes, there are a few items he mentions that either don't make it in in the future or didn't make it in in the past. I think these examples all make sense, though; it's not hard to imagine them happening.
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Post by colette on Sept 9, 2011 0:36:59 GMT -5
I can't imagine Sunny being in two places at the same time: in Madame Lulu's tent with her siblings and in caravan with Hugo.
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Post by Dante on Sept 9, 2011 1:38:28 GMT -5
What I mean is that, even if it didn't actually happen, it is perfectly in-character for Sunny to have helped prepare some soup. There's nothing about her person that precludes that occurring, in the same way that there are plenty of good explanations for how the Quagmires got their notebooks back, or for why lamps might have been sent to Hall.
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Post by andressa on Sept 10, 2011 14:04:52 GMT -5
I have an idea about why lamps might have been sent to Hal: and if he was trying to put this lamps on the unfinished part of the Heimlich Hospital ? And this lead us to others questions: why he want to do that ? What he wanted to do there ? There was something he wants to get or he always met somebody there ? And finally, if we know the answers for all these questions, we could know the ones for the misteries as well ?
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Post by Dante on Sept 13, 2011 6:05:29 GMT -5
All we know about the lamps is that they were mistakenly sent to Hal; if it was an error, it seems unlikely he had anything in mind for them. The question is, what did Snicket have in mind? If we're trying to think of important lamps, I believe it was a lamp which crushed Monty's shoulder in TRR - I remember that TCC reveals that Olaf subsequently stole such a lamp - while TAA had fish-shaped lamps, if I recall correctly. It's possible that the lamps could have been stolen and ended up with Hal rather than in their correct location... but they might just have been a cameo from an earlier book; the Kind Editor letters often mention items which aren't really that relevant.
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Post by andressa on Sept 14, 2011 12:17:12 GMT -5
I didn't remember the Uncle Monty's shoulder lamp. Dante, may I ask how many times have you read the series ? I mean, it's because you knowledge about them is incredible.
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Post by Dante on Sept 14, 2011 12:45:43 GMT -5
It's been a while since I last read them, but I used to reread the series, or each book individually, quite a few times. You don't actually need to read them dozens of times or anything to remember particular details; you just need the right kind of memory and the right kind of enthusiasm.
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Post by andressa on Sept 17, 2011 12:30:51 GMT -5
Oh, yes, you're right. I guess that's why I best remember the first books : I read them paying more attention, slowly. In the lasts I was so excited that I read one by day, and I didn't pay much attention.
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Post by B. on Oct 7, 2011 12:48:35 GMT -5
Back to the subject of the notebooks.....It really does seem that Olaf just handed them back to the Quagmires. This still seems unlikely to me.....perhaps he gave the books back to them because he wanted to see how much they really knew(?)
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