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Post by B. on Jun 10, 2012 4:06:52 GMT -5
Lets make a pact then, that whoever gets it posts scans, pictures, transcribes it, etc etc etc.
Edit: Shipping to the UK is $31.99. More than the item itself is at the moment.
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Post by Dante on Jun 10, 2012 4:25:50 GMT -5
I was considering getting a PayPal account and bidding for it myself, but even if the shipping cost didn't more than double the price, that's too much. I resign it to you, American compatriots.
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Post by Christmas Chief on Jun 10, 2012 6:40:05 GMT -5
Good luck, Cybermystery. As to the content itself, there's no way the Ink Inc. logo isn't a reference to the octopus submarine we know as the Carmelita. Could that possibly be involved in this series? Didn't Olaf say he or his associates had to retrieve it from the Hotel Denouement? I wonder where else the things are housed. Perhaps the octopus is a mere symbol or logo for the corporation, since upon checking octopus ink and the ink with which we write isn't the same.
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Post by Kensicle on Jun 10, 2012 6:56:16 GMT -5
Olaf said that retrieved a few recruits from the Hotel Denouement, but he didn't explicitly say that the submarine was from there as well. However he says that he "got [the submarine] working again" or something along those lines, which implies that the submarine's been in service before.
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Post by Dante on Jun 10, 2012 6:56:45 GMT -5
Didn't Olaf say he or his associates had to retrieve it from the Hotel Denouement? I wonder where else the things are housed. Perhaps the octopus is a mere symbol or logo for the corporation, since upon checking octopus ink and the ink with which we write isn't the same. Nah, Olaf definitely stole the submarine, but he never says where from. He refers to the submarine's previous owner using the brig to keep traitors captive, but that's all we know, not where it came from, or whether the owner was even a volunteer or a villain. So it's ripe for reinterpretation in ATWQ, I think. I'm sure the octopus insignia is merely an insignia for the corporation, but it strikes me as likely to be a hint. While The Lost Arms is probably a tavern or other form of boarding house.
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Post by Kensicle on Jun 10, 2012 7:05:18 GMT -5
Wild speculation: perhaps it's a VFD safe place?
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Post by Christmas Chief on Jun 10, 2012 7:36:59 GMT -5
Nah, Olaf definitely stole the submarine, but he never says where from. He refers to the submarine's previous owner using the brig to keep traitors captive, but that's all we know, not where it came from, or whether the owner was even a volunteer or a villain. So it's ripe for reinterpretation in ATWQ, I think. I'm sure the octopus insignia is merely an insignia for the corporation, but it strikes me as likely to be a hint. While The Lost Arms is probably a tavern or other form of boarding house. Right, the HD is where the children came from, not the submarine. Perfect for ATWQ, then. Wild speculation: perhaps it's a VFD safe place? There's a passage in the later books that lists some of the places volunteers could gather before they were destroyed. I'll try to find it to see what they list, since we might find Lemony in one of these places upon entering Stain'd By the Sea.
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Post by Dante on Jun 10, 2012 8:37:35 GMT -5
"Bookstores and banks, restaurants and stationery stores, cafés and laundromats, opium dens and geodesic domes"... wait, stationery stores?! Could the Hemlock have been...?!
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Post by Christmas Chief on Jun 10, 2012 9:46:40 GMT -5
Yes, I think so. "Opium dens and geodesic domes" are unique, too, so I'd not be too surprised to pass those along the way. The Hemlock actually reminded me of the Anxious Clown, where the food is horrible but the service is disguised.
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Post by Antenora on Jun 10, 2012 11:02:10 GMT -5
As to the content itself, there's no way the Ink Inc. logo isn't a reference to the octopus submarine we know as the Carmelita. Could that possibly be involved in this series? There probably is a Carmelita connection. The image of Ink Inc. also strongly suggests an evil corporation, even if they aren't the main villain of the series. While an octopus is an appropriate logo for an ink company (especially one located near the sea) it also reminds me of the various propaganda posters depicting enemy countries as octopuses, like this one. Perhaps the octopus is a mere symbol or logo for the corporation, since upon checking octopus ink and the ink with which we write isn't the same. Actually, one can use octopus/squid ink to write, according to this article: You could certainly use them for writing, though it isn’t done much nowadays. The brownish ink of the cuttlefish, dried and mixed with shellac (to make it water-resistant), enjoyed great popularity in the 19th century for writing and drawing — it was called sepia. The word comes from the Latin for cuttlefish. I doubt that octopuses would be useful for mass ink production, but then again Snicket is not known for biological realism, so perhaps Ink Inc. really is milking cephalopods. Also, how might Qwerty fit in?
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Post by C. on Jun 10, 2012 11:13:41 GMT -5
I actually just saw that and had no idea this thread was made lol. I bid on it because I have Paypal cash to throw around. The shipping is 7.00 which is steep, but eh this is worth it. I was so mad that I didn't know the event was going on. I could have gone. :/ Are you planning on getting it then? Because I won't bid if you would just bid again. Yeah, I really want it. I'm a promo item junkie lol. But I will of course upload every scan and other thing possible for all of 667 to enjoy! (If I win of course)
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Post by Dante on Jun 10, 2012 11:16:03 GMT -5
Also, how might Qwerty fit in? Holy shucks, they're hunting octopi for their ink! That was my immediate reaction, and I have no idea if it's an absurd one. It seems like a similar conflict to the one faced by V.F.D. over salmon, actually - there are trained octopi used by V.F.D., and an evil corporation out to hunt down and exploit them... Edit: And of course! Ink Inc.'s logo is an evil octopus - the very octopus submarine itself is what they're using to hunt down the octopi! Edit Again: Antenora has also pointed out to me that this links to the town's name of Stain'd By The Sea. Maybe it was so named due to historical associations with octopus hunting? There's a lot of wild speculation in this post, but that is half the fun of being a Snicket fan, I think. Cybermystery, we would be eternally grateful if you or anyone else bought the apprentice case. I suggest that you, Bryan, or anyone else who bids post when they do so, along with the price they bid, so that we can be sure 667ers aren't bidding against each other.
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Post by bryan on Jun 10, 2012 11:29:53 GMT -5
Cybermystery, we would be eternally grateful if you or anyone else bought the apprentice case. I suggest that you, Bryan, or anyone else who bids post when they do so, along with the price they bid, so that we can be sure 667ers aren't bidding against each other. Nah, I'm just going to let Cybermystery have it. No use in just driving up the price.
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Post by Hermes on Jun 10, 2012 12:21:03 GMT -5
Bear in mind that the opium dens and geodesic domes were before the schism, which means, if we accept the claim that the schism happened when Lemony was too young to eat the softest of gnocchi (yes, gnocchi, you stupid spellchecker), well before the events of this book. Not that I regard these dating things as absolutely secure.
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Post by Christmas Chief on Jun 10, 2012 12:32:39 GMT -5
There probably is a Carmelita connection. The image of Ink Inc. also strongly suggests an evil corporation, even if they aren't the main villain of the series. While an octopus is an appropriate logo for an ink company (especially one located near the sea) it also reminds me of the various propaganda posters depicting enemy countries as octopuses, like this one. That is a striking cartoon in relation to Ink Inc.'s image. So could the octopus not only represent the company's ink production, but also their grasp over Stain'd By the Sea? Holy shucks, they're hunting octopi for their ink! That was my immediate reaction, and I have no idea if it's an absurd one. It would certainly explain Qwerty's expression, as would it the malevolent nature of Ink Inc.'s logo. Also, as Antenora points out, Snicket rarely adheres to the laws of nature. Why, then, might Lemony get involved? To stop the octopi from growing extinct? What exactly is evil about this corporation? I can't help but think it's more than murdering octopi to make a profit. Recall also the pen in the Apprentice Case: "Made with real ink from Stain'd By the Sea!" or something to that effect. The idea they use manufactured octopi to capture the natural ones is plausible especially in its relation to TGG. Bear in mind that the opium dens and geodesic domes were before the schism, which means, if we accept the claim that the schism happened when Lemony was too young to eat the softest of gnocchi (yes, gnocchi, you stupid spellchecker), well before the events of this book. Not that I regard these dating things as absolutely secure. Even so, the places might still exist only not as safe places. Hemlock, for example, supposedly serves villains, but volunteers are still able to stealthily mingle.
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