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Post by Charlie on Aug 31, 2012 7:15:40 GMT -5
I was just thinking. So The Carmelita (as in the octopus sub from TGG, rather than the girl) is a ship that Olaf and Esme happen to have fast access to. What self-respecting VFD member would opt to have Edgar Guest on their uniform (as in Snicketverse, Edgar Guest is seen as a bad writer). Also, why would VFD make a sub that had to be rowed by so many people? Is it not possible that The Carmelita was made after the schism by the fire-starting side
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Post by Dante on Aug 31, 2012 10:03:17 GMT -5
There's every possibility that it was built past the schism, yes, but it doesn't have to have been. Tensions between V.F.D. factions existed before the schism, of course, and some volunteers may have genuinely enjoyed the poetry of Edgar Guest, perhaps a sign of weakness - assuming that the Edgar Guest portraits weren't adopted after the schism as an anti-literature gesture. As for needing a lot of rowers, I don't think that's a point against the submarine; it's simply a very large machine that needs many hands to operate. No different to a building like Anwhistle Aquatics, really.
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Post by Charlie on Sept 1, 2012 4:06:15 GMT -5
That is an interesting thought. Edgar Guest as an anti-literature gesture. Perhaps it was meant to be used as a vessel on "field trips" as it were, requiring many people to be traveling simultaneously. Another thought is that the writers on the uniform were more of a hierarchic system, with neophytes getting poorer writers (Guest), and more senior volunteers getting masterful writers (Melville). I know it doesn't really make sense due to the Melville uniforms being on the Queequeg, but perhaps the uniforms were all once kept together somewhere (Anwhistle Aquatics springs to mind).
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Post by Christmas Chief on Sept 1, 2012 10:26:02 GMT -5
It's possible the Carmelita could have been created for villainous purposes, but I tend to think it was modified from its earlier days more than it was built from scratch. There's nothing particularly villainous in the design; there's a brig, but no torture chambers, and Olaf uses children to power the sub, but there's nothing stopping him from using a proper crew. As for the uniforms - using an author as a symbol against literature strikes me as somewhat paradoxical, but clearly Olaf feels they make a strong statement.
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