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Post by Dante on Jan 27, 2013 3:27:07 GMT -5
I recognised that allusion, too. It's not even an ASoUE reference, but it's still an in-joke that's possible to get. The more immersed you are in everything Daniel Handler's ever done, the funnier WCTBATH is.
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Post by Teleram on Feb 16, 2013 18:35:10 GMT -5
I just visited the ATWQ website. One of the videos there featured a bunch of hot air ballons taking off to the tune of Flight of the Bumblebee. This is reminiscent of the Chapter 13 illustration. Is it a hint, or something just to confuse readers?
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Post by Kit's tits kick ticks on Feb 16, 2013 18:42:55 GMT -5
I just visited the ATWQ website. One of the videos there featured a bunch of hot air ballons taking off to the tune of Flight of the Bumblebee. This is reminiscent of the Chapter 13 illustration. Is it a hint, or something just to confuse readers? You should look at this thread. Most of the things on the website remind us of things in the book, and nobody knows what are hints and what is there to confuse readers.
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Post by bandit on Mar 2, 2013 12:12:34 GMT -5
Hi,
I'm not sure if this has been discussed yet, but I thought I could add a bit of further insight into the schism.
For one thing, I'm sure the fact that Kit and other people have said that the schism occurred when they were four probably directly connects to why they were recruited in the first place. In the Unauthorized Autobiography, Lemony discusses his recruitment and says that he was well past crawling age, but around the same age that the schism happened, and a sudden influx of young V.F.D. members (you could call them the "new generation" of members) could be to try and keep V.F.D. on its feet after so many people left or turned against the organization.
Many of the people in ASoUE who are recognized as on the "fire-starter" side were also probably members of V.F.D. in their childhood after the schism had happened, and when they grew up they eventually decided to join the evil side (such as Olaf?).
Because of this, I think The Beatrice Letters has the most connection to WCTBATH and the rest of the series. A majority of the letters Lemony writes Beatrice are before he leaves for Stain'd-by-the-Sea, and is still receiving his "unusual education". Would he not also be taking (or failing) the V.F.D. classes that are often referred to in ATWQ?
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Post by Dante on Mar 2, 2013 16:58:00 GMT -5
Hi bandit. That's quite an insight! A sudden loss of members around the time of the schism to the opposing side, whatever form that took, could well account for the need to bring in an influx of younger members. That would certainly solve an enduring mystery of sorts.
As for TBL, the timeline of it in relation to ATWQ is unclear, but it seems likely that ATWQ takes place after either Lemony's second or third letter.
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Post by Charlie on Mar 3, 2013 0:38:48 GMT -5
That is a very well thought out idea.
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Post by eescorpius on Apr 24, 2013 21:09:18 GMT -5
It's always fun to come here and read everyone's ideas and thoughts...too bad I can't bring anything new to the table...
Anyways, if Count Olaf is gonna be mentioned in the new series, I wonder if we will know more of his relationship with Kit...
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Post by Dante on Apr 25, 2013 1:16:12 GMT -5
It seems like a natural link to draw, doesn't it? Especially with the Kit subplot going on. A friend of mine has proposed that she might be described as being assisted by a monobrowed individual, and it wouldn't be clarified whether that was Olaf or Jacques.
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Post by Charlie on Apr 25, 2013 1:17:57 GMT -5
That is a thought. Watch out for some allusion to a lover of Kit then.
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Post by Teleram on Apr 25, 2013 10:39:58 GMT -5
If there IS going to be an "allusion to a lover of Kit", I don't think it will be in the second book. I doubt Snicket will slip in a reference like that so early in the series. My bet is on ?3 or somewhere in ?4.
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Post by Poe's Coats Host Toast on Dec 12, 2013 14:19:42 GMT -5
I have found a likely inspiration for the name Walleye, and just maybe it could be of help in trying to figure out who that character is, and what role he plays in ATWQ (or any of the recipients of these messages for that matter, like "Pocket" in ?2). In the classic 1959 courtroom crime drama "Anatomy of a Murder," Duke Ellington, who also composed the film's score, appears as the character "Pie-Eye", the owner of a roadhouse and a jazz band leader, with whom Jimmy Stewart's character plays piano. Pie-Eye's name can also be seen written on the jazz band's bass drum, on which there also is the drawing of a large eye (film still can be seen here). How it relates to ATWQ: this film is just the type that Daniel Handler used for inspiration and references throughout this series; jazz and specifically Duke Ellington is often referenced in different ways throughout the series; Jimmy Stewart was likely one of two actors who inspired ATWQ character Stewart Mitchum's name; the names "Walleye" and "Pie-Eye" are obviously much alike; and, of course, the eye drawing below the written out name on the bass drum brings VFD's insignia to mind.
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Post by Dante on Dec 12, 2013 16:46:55 GMT -5
I can definitely see "Walleye" as a more V.F.D.-specific pun on Pie-Eye, yes; good eye, Terry Craig. That sounds highly plausible.
What about Pocket, though...? That's rather less volunteer-ish and just struck me as odd.
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Post by Poe's Coats Host Toast on Dec 12, 2013 18:15:40 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree, things like "pick pocket" and "pocket watch" may come to mind with that name, but that doesn't really tell you anything. I hope that maybe we'll get an answer to/more info on these messages in the "File Under" supplementary materials, considering the name, and how The Beatrice Letters, which are ASoUE supplementary material, also elaborated on the background to Snicket's dedications at the beginning of each book.
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Post by Dante on Dec 13, 2013 4:52:03 GMT -5
If nothing else, File Under might give us another contact name to try and extrapolate a pattern from.
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Post by Charlie on Dec 13, 2013 4:57:14 GMT -5
Perhaps referring to whatever is sewn inside his pocket?
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