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Post by Christmas Chief on Nov 13, 2012 16:25:09 GMT -5
- Does it have any sense that they don't have their suitcases? I can't see a reason why it's mentioned. The timing is convenient, certainly. A week to Peru, a week until Stephano arrives, a week for the suitcases - everything builds to a climax. - Stephano „won't arrive for a week or so“. What is Olaf doing in this time? I always thought that he was going to visit the Hinterlands to see Madame Lulu, so that he could find where the Baudelaires were. Nice thought. Although of course, Olaf would also have taken care of Gustav in this time. (Also, misterm, I have digital versions of all the paperback illustrations should you need access to such a thing; it would merely be a matter of uploading them.)
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Post by Kit's tits kick ticks on Nov 13, 2012 16:28:40 GMT -5
- Stephano „won't arrive for a week or so“. What is Olaf doing in this time? I always thought that he was going to visit the Hinterlands to see Madame Lulu, so that he could find where the Baudelaires were. First I thought that this is a great idea. But he must have found out that they are with Monty before he planned to be Stephano.
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Post by theaquasprite on Nov 13, 2012 16:57:18 GMT -5
Chapter Three: Snicket tells us the ending. I guess this was to set up the whole "hey kids, here's a lesson on dramatic irony" thing, but it still bothers me somehow. I suppose you could say that the real ending is how the Baudelaires prove his murder but- I'll just give it a rest. And we're introduced to one of few (assuming there are others that I don't remember) character that Sunny is shipped with. Seriously, I think there's at least one fanfic of them somewhere. That aside, I'd just like to say their friendship is just adorable. What's with all the tiny cars? Monty wants a fireproof canoe. As weak is his V.F.D. connections might be now, he's still afraid of arson. Chapter Four: The opening seems to confirm that Klaus survived the Beatrice sinking. It almost seems as if Snicket has talked to him personally, too. Klaus considers running away again. Was this common throughout the books? I can't remember.
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Post by Isadora Is a Door on Nov 14, 2012 3:27:45 GMT -5
Nice thought. Although of course, Olaf would also have taken care of Gustav in this time. - Surely Olaf must haven taken care of Gustav earlier, so he could becoem Stephano in the first place?
Also, misterm, I have digital versions of all the paperback illustrations should you need access to such a thing; - Yes, This might be helpful!
The opening seems to confirm that Klaus survived the Beatrice sinking. It almost seems as if Snicket has talked to him personally, too. - I think p[eople ahve looked intot hsi to much. Its just snicket trying to give a bti of depth to the story. I'd assuem he hasn't talked to klaus, and he simply presumed Klaus would think of this in years to come, etc. I Dont belive Snicket thought the Bauds were ever dead, so he woudl porbably just say this.
Klaus considers running away again. Was this common throughout the books? I can't remember - Wow, not only did i not pick up on this, nbut i specifaccly tried to notice any more mentions of this. Klaus considerd running away in the first book, when they wre chopping the wood. Lets look.... Here we go Klaus considers living on the streets, and although it sounds silly, it is weird that the never considered running from their respective homes and/or count olaf in future books. Sherry Ann responded with this ; I don't think they have much reason to, after Olaf is no longer their guardian. And their means of transportation are limited, meaning they can't simply pack their bags every time Olaf comes after them - they count on their guardians and the authorities to do their jobs.
Right! On to Book 2. Chapters 1-6/7
Its been said before, but the apples gorwing near a horseradish factory.
People have complained about needing to recap the events fo previous books at the start of each new one, but when I was a youngster, reading the books out of order it defiantly helped me!
Montys hosue is full fo things from the palces hes been - ive only just realised this means snakes
Mr Poe believes klaus would ridcule monty? Really? I didn’t think poe was that ignorant.
Why does motny noy recognise olaf?
Zombies in the snow sounds like I film I want to see! Although,, the awkward bit with the sebald code must stick out, surely!
The First UE book I read was the fourth, and I will recall how I found the series when I read that book, but book 1 was one of the last few books I read (I think fourth, the only others being the unpolished 12 and 13, and book 9). But, I had Listened to the book! Even so, I had probably read half the series before I read the first one. Book 2 I received as a birthday present around 2005ish? But I had seen the film, so new the basic plot
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Post by Dante on Nov 14, 2012 7:42:23 GMT -5
I guess Monty and Olaf never met when they were young. Even though they were members of the same organisation, that doesn't mean they'd have known each other well or at all. They might have been in different classes or different branches... in addition, it might have been many years since Monty had seen Olaf, or vice-versa, and he didn't recognise him any more. There's also the possibility that Monty was concealing how much he knew to protect V.F.D.'s secrets, to protect others from V.F.D.'s secrets, and to stop himself from seeming suspicious by suggesting he'd ever associated with Olaf, which would lead only to more questions. Although that's a separate matter, more why he doesn't mention knowing of Olaf - it's clear that he simply doesn't recognise Olaf in Stephano, and one thing that's probably true is that Olaf's disguises are actually quite good and it's only the Baudelaires' intimate knowledge of him that allows them to recognise him every time, as they don't recognise the troupe members.
Edit: In addition, it's fascinating hearing those details of how you read the books, misterm; I've always wondered what it would be like to read them out of order, how the experience would change. I don't have a problem with the recaps at the start of each book so long as they're well-integrated into the plot.
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Post by Isadora Is a Door on Nov 14, 2012 9:32:34 GMT -5
Oh, Dante, mt reading of books hasn't even started to get out of order yet! I read it like so 4-9(first half)-10-3-5-6-8-2-11-7-1-12-13-9)second half)
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Post by Kit's tits kick ticks on Nov 14, 2012 16:39:18 GMT -5
I read the books in order, but I only listened to books 4-7 and I never read TWW, so I'm looking forward to next week. Okay, I'm really behind you now. I'll do chapter 3 now, to have done at least something. Why is there never time to do the things I want to do? Chapter 3 - Wow, I never remembered that chapter 3 already tells us that Monty will die. - Sunny biting the IDV back and Monty laughing, that's so cute - Monty tells stories about the "men, snakes, women, toads, children and lizards" that he met. I love the order of this list, because humans and reptiles are mixed like he doesn't make a difference between them. - the fireproof canoe. It has also been mentioned before. - "I think we can miss them without being miserable all the time" - That's a cute sentence. - The scene when Stephano is coming is great. I like how the reader already knows that something bad is coming and later that Stephano is Count Olaf before the Baudelaires know. I would love to read chapter 4 now, but I don't want to be tired tomorrow.
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Post by Kit's tits kick ticks on Nov 15, 2012 16:31:51 GMT -5
I know that this is evil but I'm double posting on purpose now, because I want the people to see that there is something new. Maybe you will find the time to read my notes even if you don't have the time to post your own. Chapter 4 Part 1 - I like how the Baudelaires react to Count Olaf. They seem really sure of themselves and don't show their fear. And Olaf's reaction is interesting too, because he doesn't seem like he was sure that they wouldn't recognize him. - Count Olaf calls them orphans before they have told him that they are orphans. Either he is stupid or he has already given up his disguise, even if he pretends to keep it. But he stops pretending at the next moment and his only solution seems to be violence. That shows how week he really is. That's enough for today, I'm tired now. I think I will do all the rest on Saturday...
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Post by Dante on Nov 15, 2012 16:55:53 GMT -5
If you look at I think TAA or TEE, then the Baudelaires at times pretend to accept Olaf's disguise and he seems to think they mean it. I think the way he's in some ways blatant about his identity even when disguised is because he's mocking them a little, whether they're supposed to realise it or not - mocking them for himself or to continue to intimidate them.
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Post by Isadora Is a Door on Nov 16, 2012 3:15:55 GMT -5
I dont think this is true for TEE, but in TVV They dont have much time to deny olaf.
I will try and post soem more notes and images tomorrow. I will defintley contribute more next week,
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Post by Charlie on Nov 16, 2012 4:30:11 GMT -5
Oh, well it seems to me as if Monty has definitely met Olaf before "Count Olaf sounds like an awful person. I hope he is torn part by wild animals one day. Wouldn't that be satisfying" I mean, to me they sound like the words of somebody who hates someone... Also on the page before "I always meant to find a wife and start a family, but it just kept slipping my mind" Do we know how short Monty is? His main feature besides his hair, is his shortness. What do we think? Flitwick height? Just a bit short?
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Post by Isadora Is a Door on Nov 17, 2012 12:14:52 GMT -5
Okay, time for some bonus paperback images. More later...
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Post by Dante on Nov 17, 2012 12:21:10 GMT -5
Still highly regrettable that we never got further paperback images for the rest of the series, as Helquist's art had really gotten so much better. Although I seem to recall that one of the later full-page images for TRR wasn't quite so detailed as it could have been.
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Post by Poe's Coats Host Toast on Nov 17, 2012 14:25:20 GMT -5
What makes up a lot of the details in Helquist's work is his hatched shading, which I like a lot, but it's not just because of the details that I love his illustrations for. I also really like the sense of composition in them and the way he draws facial expressions and body gestures. I'm really excited to see some of the other images from books #2 and #3 (as they're not to be found anywhere on the webs), so thanks in advance, misterm.
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Post by epershand on Nov 17, 2012 20:38:40 GMT -5
I've never seen the bonus paperback images...thank you for posting some, misterm! Helquist's style in these images seems to have gotten a lot...cleaner. I don't know if I like it more than the original ones or not. To be honest I feel like the first one could have been composed a lot more interesting, but I do like the detail with Violet in the back. It's just that the way the car is shaded bothers me. I love the second image, though. That being said, I still think the line drawings in his former illustrations are more interesting. I feel like the hatching he used in the above image, for instance, matched the whimsy of the books really well, and add a lot more life to otherwise uninteresting drawings. Personally, I think the shading of the car would have been better with hatching.
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