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Post by Emerald Snicket on Dec 11, 2015 6:26:24 GMT -5
A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z
Jacques
Kit
Lemony
In order of age too.
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Post by Dante on Dec 11, 2015 6:36:39 GMT -5
Well, there's some speculation that Jacques and Kit are twins, but it's close enough to order of age, anyway; see also Dewey, Ernest, Frank. Have you read the Unauthorized Autobiography? The Family Tree essentially confirms that this is intentional.
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Post by Emerald Snicket on Dec 11, 2015 9:08:44 GMT -5
I've got TUA, but I haven't gotten round to finishing it, and the last time I read a bit was ages ago. I probably need to reread it from the start  |
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Post by gliquey on Dec 11, 2015 11:07:27 GMT -5
Yes, it took me quite a while to realise this too.
The Family Tree is at the end of TUA if I recall correctly. (I don't reckon it would ruin the book for you if you flicked through to find it; it's a very odd thing, TUA, with no real plot that could be spoiled.) I almost skipped past it when I read TUA, but I'd heard allusions to it on the forum. Along with "D E F" and "J K L", there are some other sets of branches that might suggest there are other triplets like this - most notably there's an "O" on one of the branches, with a noose attached to it.
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Post by Skelly Craig on Dec 11, 2015 12:51:58 GMT -5
Whoa, how did I never notice this
EDIT: But it doesn't apply to Duncan, Isadora and Quigley
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Post by A comet crashing into Earth on Dec 11, 2015 13:20:37 GMT -5
What with the double meanings of Frank and Ernest Denoument, fitting them into the pattern by naming their brother Dewey -which, to top it off, already has triplet-y connotations from the Disney comics - is actually an incredibly elegant thing.
Violet, Klaus and Sunny don't fit in the pattern, although if Handler had thought up the naming pattern from the beginning of the series, they might have had. In-universe, I think the Baudelaires are excused, as it's probably a hard tradition to keep up when you also have to name your kids after someone who died. I'm deliberately reading more into this than I think DH planned, but that could also be why the Quagmires don't fit the pattern.
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Post by gliquey on Dec 11, 2015 18:01:22 GMT -5
What with the double meanings of Frank and Ernest Denoument, fitting them into the pattern by naming their brother Dewey -which, to top it off, already has triplet-y connotations from the Disney comics - is actually an incredibly elegant thing. Yes, I think that too. I wonder how it happened - did Handler come up with the names "Frank" and "Ernest" and then realise that a brother whose name began with D/G would make a nice pattern, or did he set himself restrictions ("two names that work well together and are charactonyms and one that forms a consecutive letter pattern") and then work out the names? |
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Post by A comet crashing into Earth on Dec 11, 2015 18:30:33 GMT -5
What with the double meanings of Frank and Ernest Denoument, fitting them into the pattern by naming their brother Dewey -which, to top it off, already has triplet-y connotations from the Disney comics - is actually an incredibly elegant thing. Yes, I think that too. I wonder how it happened - did Handler come up with the names "Frank" and "Ernest" and then realise that a brother whose name began with D/G would make a nice pattern, or did he set himself restrictions ("two names that work well together and are charactonyms and one that forms a consecutive letter pattern") and then work out the names? I think the first scenario is the most likely. It seems too unlikely that there would even be such a good solution if he'd come up with the restrictions first. |
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Post by lorelai on Dec 12, 2015 1:48:59 GMT -5
I wish there were more fics about the Denouements. There's a lot of fun implications to play with in what we learn of them. My headcanon is that Jacques and Kit are twins, just because we have so few of them, but Jacques was born two minutes and twenty-three seconds earlier. That way it fits everything.  |
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Post by Charlie on Dec 12, 2015 5:43:39 GMT -5
Given Hector's cameo in ATWQ it seems more and more likely that GHI are Gregor, Hector and Ike Anwhistle too  |
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Post by Dante on Dec 12, 2015 9:00:09 GMT -5
Maybe, but it seems like that might be difficult on an age-related basis. Hector's a year younger than Lemony, but what little we know of Gregor is that he was very old, while Ike was married to Josephine, who wasn't in the first flush of youth. If Hector was the second of the three siblings, you would expect Ike to be younger than him. Hal has also been suggested, though while he's likelier on age grounds, it raises issues regarding his knowledge of V.F.D... Hermes has suggested here the possibility that it might be Humphrey, although he's naturally less interesting than a character we've actually met. |
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Post by Charlie on Dec 12, 2015 10:06:16 GMT -5
So if H is Hector, Josie's a cougar
That seems plausible to me
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Post by gliquey on Dec 12, 2015 10:47:15 GMT -5
I don't think their ages need to be in order; it would make sense if they do, but I don't think they have to be. I wouldn't expect Dewey, Ernest and Frank to be in that age order, since they were triplets and any age differences are trivial.
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Post by Dante on Dec 13, 2015 5:35:41 GMT -5
For my part, I'm afraid I disagree. While differences between twins and triplets are indeed trivial, for those characters who aren't simultaneously born, I don't think it makes sense for their parents to have given them alphabetically consecutive names if it wasn't in alphabetical order (or conceivably reverse alphabetical order) - or at least, not in a story that throws a big alphabetical family tree at us, at any rate.
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Post by lorelai on Dec 19, 2015 2:22:24 GMT -5
Are the J and K branches somewhat intertwined? My braille edition of TUA has the pictures described, but they can be subjective.
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