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Post by lorelai on Jun 24, 2016 17:32:49 GMT -5
Hugs to everyone in the UK. I wanted the vote to be remain, and am sad/scared that here in the US stocks are already plummiting and the most vocal people on the internet who comment on news posts don't seem to know anything about the subject. They're seeing it as a victory, which unless I'm missing something that includes everyone's posts, really worries me for the upcoming US elections. *gives more hugs*.
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Post by BSam on Jun 24, 2016 17:44:08 GMT -5
I'm kind of worried now. Mister M keeps saying it will all be okay for me moving there in late October this year and being allowed to stay there, but I'm not that sure. if there is an issue i spose you could marry him
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Post by Cafe SalMONAlla on Jun 24, 2016 20:47:55 GMT -5
This sounds like a mess. Hugs to all the uk people.
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Post by Carma on Jun 24, 2016 21:06:28 GMT -5
my sister's so upset. when i went to visit a few weeks ago, she and my bother in law were talking about it, i couldn't believe that people would want to leave but i also feel now that we can't be surprised by anything anymore. it's crazy how many people who voted leave never thought that it would really happen and are now shocked and regret it! oh no, you voted for something and it actually happened! ridiculous.
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Post by Teleram on Jun 25, 2016 0:16:36 GMT -5
three words: Children of Men
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Post by snicket24601 on Jun 25, 2016 6:20:17 GMT -5
This sounds like a mess. Hugs to all the uk people. It's a huge mess; I'm hoping for another referendum now, but not optimistic about it. Looking to America to restore my faith in humanity, although I know US politics is complicated and goodness knows which way the vote will go in November. Hugs to you.
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Post by Kit's tits kick ticks on Jun 25, 2016 6:25:46 GMT -5
lol, America is like one of the last places I would look at to restore my faith in humanity
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Post by Hermes on Jun 25, 2016 12:12:00 GMT -5
Thanks for all the hugs.
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Post by alexandre on Jun 26, 2016 12:38:35 GMT -5
I'm very saddened by all this. I think that the media played a crucial role in this, and not a good one. It's also a very delicate situation because many would say that the majority who voted "Exit" did so on poor judgment and knowledge and that it shouldn't count because of that. But... That wouldn't be very democratic, would it ?
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Post by cwm on Jun 26, 2016 12:49:10 GMT -5
Snap poll: My sister recently moved to Scotland and has told me that her spare room is available if I want to join her. My current contract at work runs out in October. If I am not offered further work, should I take her up on her offer?
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Post by Kit's tits kick ticks on Jun 26, 2016 13:05:20 GMT -5
It's also a very delicate situation because many would say that the majority who voted "Exit" did so on poor judgment and knowledge and that it shouldn't count because of that. But... That wouldn't be very democratic, would it ? Democracy doesn't necessarily mean that anything should be done just because of more than 50% in a referendum. For a lot of democratic decisions in the world a bigger majority is needed, or a majority if you count the people who didn't vote. I actually think if there is a referendum about anything like this, you should have to answer a few questions about the topic to be able to vote, to make sure that people actually know what they are doing.
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Post by Reba on Jun 26, 2016 13:40:50 GMT -5
I actually think if there is a referendum about anything like this, you should have to answer a few questions about the topic to be able to vote, to make sure that people actually know what they are doing. much as i don't like the result of this referendum, that is and always has been a slippery slope toward whatever else people think you should need to "answer a few questions" for. there's no real ways to governmentally assess what an "informed voter" is, without someone else being able to manipulate that argument for the sole purpose of preventing people from voting at all. eventually you could very well be back in the Black Codes with ridiculously difficult pre-voting questions designed specifically for black people.
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Post by gliquey on Jun 27, 2016 13:29:56 GMT -5
I actually think if there is a referendum about anything like this, you should have to answer a few questions about the topic to be able to vote, to make sure that people actually know what they are doing. I do like the idea of this in theory, but what would the questions be about? How do you make sure the questions are neither biased for nor against either side - and then convince people that's the case? If the 'few questions' take more than a couple of minutes to answer, busy people working during most of the day of the referendum are less likely to vote (in the UK, the day of a referendum/election is not a national holiday). Other people might not vote because they worry if they get a question wrong then their vote won't count. But while it might only be a solution long-term, I think better politics education in schools is a more effective way of ensuring people know what they're voting for. In my secondary school, there were a couple of days where we had lessons or assemblies about politics out of several years of education - a half-hearted attempt that helped nobody. If politics was a mandatory lesson at some point (religious education is already mandatory so it's not like the education system avoids controversial topics), people might listen less to their friends' and relatives' views and be more inclined to try and come up with their own views.
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Post by snicket24601 on Jun 27, 2016 19:19:10 GMT -5
I actually think if there is a referendum about anything like this, you should have to answer a few questions about the topic to be able to vote, to make sure that people actually know what they are doing. I do like the idea of this in theory, but what would the questions be about? How do you make sure the questions are neither biased for nor against either side - and then convince people that's the case? If the 'few questions' take more than a couple of minutes to answer, busy people working during most of the day of the referendum are less likely to vote (in the UK, the day of a referendum/election is not a national holiday). Other people might not vote because they worry if they get a question wrong then their vote won't count. But while it might only be a solution long-term, I think better politics education in schools is a more effective way of ensuring people know what they're voting for. In my secondary school, there were a couple of days where we had lessons or assemblies about politics out of several years of education - a half-hearted attempt that helped nobody. If politics was a mandatory lesson at some point (religious education is already mandatory so it's not like the education system avoids controversial topics), people might listen less to their friends' and relatives' views and be more inclined to try and come up with their own views. Do other countries get holidays for elections? I think politics in schools would be great, so long as they could remain completely objective so that indoctrination would not happen. When I was in secondary school we had quite long registration times; there was no reason that time couldn't have been spent talking about world events/politics (something that might actually have been useful).
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Post by Kit's tits kick ticks on Jun 28, 2016 1:51:28 GMT -5
Do other countries get holidays for elections? We always have elections on Sundays here, and very few people have to work there (all shops are closed and stuff). And for the people who can't go anywhere and vote in that time, there is the possibility to vote by letter, even for people who live in other countries. That's also a thing that I think is totally wrong with this referendum: British people living in other countries couldn't vote, and for those who moved to EU countries this is probably more important than for anyone else. Also you don't have to register to vote here, everyone over 18 just gets a letter which they have to bring when they vote, no matter if they have ever voted before. You also have to bring your ID card, which makes me wonder how people do that in countries where they have no (obligatory) ID cards. Now that the referendum has happened, I'm also really annoyed with people's reactions. I don't like how all the other countries want to get everything done quickly now (especially after they were hoping for the UK to stay). That's not going to help anyone. Also there are lots of "What will happen now?" things in the media, but everyone keeps only talking about money and economy there. Nobody seems to care about the people who have moved from the UK to an EU country or the other way round, or are going to do that, or have family members or friends there that they want to visit sometimes. I'm worried that politicians will forget about that too when they make the actual laws.
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