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Post by Teleram on Dec 12, 2016 18:38:01 GMT -5
I have like this little thing in my head where I actually want Jacquelyn to be in every season as an entirely new character and we all grow to love her so much, and she ends up becoming the Baudelaire children's last and final guardian where they live happily ever after for once!.... That would pretty much be the definition of "missing the point of the source material", I think. And I'm surprised nobody else has mentioned this yet- but Zortegus, I loved your comment on the second trailer on Youtube. |
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Post by Timmixxa on Dec 12, 2016 19:05:47 GMT -5
I wonder what would happen if the Henchman of Indeterminate Gender said "Did you just assume my gender?"
Also, making new meme
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Post by mizbizsav on Dec 12, 2016 20:34:04 GMT -5
In the new trailer, when Olaf is standing on the table in front of the Baudelaires (it's at :40)... that kind of seems like a musical moment to me. Like Olaf is breaking out into song. It's theatrical, that's for sure.
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Post by ironic impostor on Dec 13, 2016 1:34:19 GMT -5
In the new trailer, when Olaf is standing on the table in front of the Baudelaires (it's at :40)... that kind of seems like a musical moment to me. Like Olaf is breaking out into song. It's theatrical, that's for sure. After we got that snippet from NPH at the Brazilian comic-con thing where he mentioned musical elements, I noticed and thought the exact same thing. His mouth is even kinda moving in a way that leads me to believe he might be singing. Or I may just be getting nervous about the whole "musical number" thing and worrying that they're gonna turn the "slapping Klaus" scene into one to lessen the blow (both the literal and figurative one). Oh boy I hope not. |
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Post by mizbizsav on Dec 13, 2016 2:32:19 GMT -5
In the new trailer, when Olaf is standing on the table in front of the Baudelaires (it's at :40)... that kind of seems like a musical moment to me. Like Olaf is breaking out into song. It's theatrical, that's for sure. After we got that snippet from NPH at the Brazilian comic-con thing where he mentioned musical elements, I noticed and thought the exact same thing. His mouth is even kinda moving in a way that leads me to believe he might be singing. Or I may just be getting nervous about the whole "musical number" thing and worrying that they're gonna turn the "slapping Klaus" scene into one to lessen the blow (both the literal and figurative one). Oh boy I hope not. Being aware of the musical elements, it was the first thing I thought of on my first viewing (the movement of the shot is what did it for me). I do think this series would work as a musical, but as a separate project. I don't know how I feel about it being in the show. If they keep it to a minimum, I think it will be fine. It fits Olaf's character. He's so full of himself I can see him breaking out into song (again, kept at a minimum and when he's trying to be charming). If anyone else starts singing, though... hmmmmmmmmm. And a musical number during an emotional scene, like him slapping Klaus... that'd be the worst. I'm going to keep an open-mind until I see the show, though. If it works in the show, then I'll be happily proven wrong. I just worry that they're going to make some of the mistakes the movie did. I actually really like the movie, but there's so much backlash against it for toning down the darker elements in light of comedy, most warranted. I hope they don't do that here. |
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Post by ironic impostor on Dec 13, 2016 3:37:12 GMT -5
Being aware of the musical elements, it was the first thing I thought of on my first viewing (the movement of the shot is what did it for me). I do think this series would work as a musical, but as a separate project. I don't know how I feel about it being in the show. If they keep it to a minimum, I think it will be fine. It fits Olaf's character. He's so full of himself I can see him breaking out into song (again, kept at a minimum and when he's trying to be charming). If anyone else starts singing, though... hmmmmmmmmm. And a musical number during an emotional scene, like him slapping Klaus... that'd be the worst. I'm going to keep an open-mind until I see the show, though. If it works in the show, then I'll be happily proven wrong. I just worry that they're going to make some of the mistakes the movie did. I actually really like the movie, but there's so much backlash against it for toning down the darker elements in light of comedy, most warranted. I hope they don't do that here. I agree about the musical aspects. I totally think ASoUE could work as a musical! One hundred percent! My only issue if this series turns out to be a full-blown musical is that they haven't said anything about it or marketed it that way at all (barring these recent few stray mentions from NPH, that is). As a result, it would just feel very strange to me. It could very well work and maybe even blow me away if it's done well, but there'd still be a part of me wishing that they had told us about those elements more upfront and before-hand, just to prepare us, that's all. But I too am attempting to keep a fairly open mind and will happily take whatever the show gives me. Musical, not a full-blown musical, a little music here and there, no matter the outcome I'm still binging the entire thing day-one. As for the movie, I personally don't really like it, (though, just to be clear, always glad to converse with fellow fans who dig it) but it's not really for the tone, which I actually feel it mostly got right (aside from Jim Carrey's horrendous improvising), but more for how I feel it botches the thematic aspects of the books. "These things don't just happen", which is Klaus' mantra in the film, makes me incredibly angry. I feel like a huge part of ASoUE is about promoting the viewpoint that, yes, sometimes these things DO just happen. Telling kids that people try to make their ways in the world and crap has the potential to befall them at any moment. I feel like the film completely missed that point. The only way I can think of myself giving it a pass in that regard is to imagine that Klaus is so convinced that "these things don't just happen" because he is still young at the end of the first film and they were going to build and expand on those elements of growing up and showing him abandon those notions in the sequels. But that's tied very heavily into my own personal interpretation of the series and its themes. There are plenty of reasons to dig the film and, like I said, I'm always glad to talk to people whose opinions on the film differ from my own. Makes for good discussion. Though, obviously, this thread is for the television show and I don't want to get it too far off topic by talking too much about the film. |
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Post by Dante on Dec 13, 2016 3:37:24 GMT -5
I found an article with some new NPH interview bits and pieces from Collider; it's pretty thin, but notably, NPH says that the show will be "shockingly dark" at times, and that Handler himself will be putting in an on-screen appearance. |
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Post by ironic impostor on Dec 13, 2016 4:01:07 GMT -5
Based on the "he's our own little Alfred Hitchcock" description, I imagine it'll be a "blink and you'll miss it" kinda thing. I would dig if his on-screen role was bigger, though.
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Post by Esmé's meme is meh on Dec 13, 2016 8:53:04 GMT -5
I loved the "a lot of piercing darkness and sort of delusional dementia" bit.
"I didn’t want to make him like myself" ooohhh Jim Carrey, the shade of it all.
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Post by zinthaniel on Dec 13, 2016 9:42:28 GMT -5
Based on the "he's our own little Alfred Hitchcock" description, I imagine it'll be a "blink and you'll miss it" kinda thing. I would dig if his on-screen role was bigger, though. He's not really a good actor though if his reading his own books on audible is any representation of his ability to create nuanced performances. I respect him greatly, obviously we all do that's why we are on this forum dedicated to his work, but I'd prefer if he stuck to his day job. Acting for those who can act and writing for those who can write. I don't enjoy when people are thrown into film or shows just because of their name. When they can't hold a character it ruins the immersion of the viewing experience. So it's a good thing, imo, that it's just a small. |
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Post by Esmé's meme is meh on Dec 13, 2016 9:46:53 GMT -5
I really really doubt he'll be acting. He'll probably do a cameo, like Stephen King does in most of his movies or Stan Lee. He doesn't need to be an actor or good at it to appear two minutes on screen.
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Post by zinthaniel on Dec 13, 2016 9:49:00 GMT -5
I really really doubt he'll be acting. He'll probably do a cameo, like Stephen King does in most of his movies or Stan Lee. He doesn't need to be an actor or good at it to appear two minutes on screen. Oh I'm aware i was responding to impostors idea of him having a bigger role. Unless he's been taking some acting lessons =, I'm not sure that would be a good idea. |
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Post by Strangely on Dec 13, 2016 9:51:04 GMT -5
I wouldn't worry about the music, NPH seems to be downplaying it. So far he's only confirmed one song ("the count") and "a few weird song kind of things." So if it were just a straight up musical he wouldn't be downplaying it so heavily (He's literally not even sure he's actually singing the theme song according to the interview). So while there is musical elements involved it's not really a musical. And it would be really ridiculous if Netflix made a musical and advertised it completely differently than such.
Truthfully I wouldn't mind of a couple of non-diegetic music moments used as a joke. Given the nature of the franchise that this is Lemony Snicket telling the story I think it's okay to have some moments like that (Especially since LS presence in the Baudelaire's portion is non-diegetic to begin with).
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Post by bear on Dec 13, 2016 10:37:35 GMT -5
excuse me but daniel handler gave us one of the greatest acting performances of our times, in his role as a Perky Waiter
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Post by Dante on Dec 13, 2016 11:30:33 GMT -5
Truthfully I wouldn't mind of a couple of non-diegetic music moments used as a joke. Given the nature of the franchise that this is Lemony Snicket telling the story I think it's okay to have some moments like that (Especially since LS presence in the Baudelaire's portion is non-diegetic to begin with). If you're comparing it to the weird metatextual moments in the books like The Story of Queen Debbie and Her Boyfriend, Tony, then I could live with a joke musical scene if it was made clear that it didn't literally happen that way. But on reflection, I imagine any new musical scenes will be handled like the ones which are already in the books, which is to say that they're ludicrous and frankly irritating and the Baudelaires spend the whole time looking on in discomfort. Edit: I also had this faint idea that Handler might have had a cameo in the movie, too, but I may be remembering something different. |
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