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Post by veryferociousdrama on Jul 9, 2018 14:03:38 GMT -5
So what is everyone thinking about the complete chronology of Snicket's works? So far I've got: ATWQ 1-2, File Under, ATWQ 3-4, TBL Part 1, TUA, ASOUE, TBL Part 2. But of course this is only the "main books" per say. At some point I wish to do a complete beginning to end Snicket marathon, but the gaps I need to fill in are: The picture books, supplementary/promotion books for the 2004 movie, You Choose the Mystery, Horseradish, The Incomplete History of Secret Organizations, TBB:RE notes, Gothic Archies CDs, YouTube videos, this new Poison for Breakfast book, introductions to other books, bits of loo roll centering around haiku poems centering on Vice Principal Nero enscribed in Handler's blood. (And yes, before anyone asks, I know it will take a large deal of money to source all of these supplies. I have more money than sense...) Thank you Volunteers!  PS: RE the picture books and such, I'm aware they don't take place in the ASOUE/ATWQverse, but when in his life did Snicket write them? PPS: I'm already planning to watch the 2004 movie after reading TWW, but where would be the best place the Netflix show to go? |
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Post by Teleram on Jul 9, 2018 16:33:28 GMT -5
I don't get your last question. The Netflix series, and the 2004 movie for that matter, are set in totally separate chronologies from the books. What would be the purpose of viewing them in that order?
Edit: Upon re-reading, it seems you're proposing such a project to be done more for fun than to actually try to figure out how everything fits in a timeline. You do you.
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Post by A comet crashing into Earth on Jul 10, 2018 11:37:02 GMT -5
This sounds like one of the more enjoyable types of marathon, and I'm not even opposed to running. Since, as Teleram says, the point of this seems to be personal entertainment rather than trying to fit things into a timeline, I have a few suggestions about where to put the Netflix show, depending on your preference:
* If you'd like to compare books to adaptations, watch each set of Netflix episodes immediately after the book they adapt.
* If you'd like to space out the adaptations from each other so you don't have to watch similar scenes right after each other, watch the Netflix show after you've read TBL Part 2 (asssuming the show will also adapt TBL after TE). This seems like the option that'll appeal to you the most, based on where you've placed the movie.
* If you'd like to compare the two adaptations directly, watch Netflix TBB-TWW immediately before the movie, and the rest immediately after (then rest immediately after).
Other suggestions: I would personally read one of the annotated versions of TBB instead of the 'regular' edition, so that you can just read the TBB:RE notes naturally immediately after; I'd also place the children's books in order of real-life publication relative to the ASOUE books.
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Post by veryferociousdrama on Jul 10, 2018 11:37:07 GMT -5
I don't get your last question. The Netflix series, and the 2004 movie for that matter, are set in totally separate chronologies from the books. What would be the purpose of viewing them in that order? Edit: Upon re-reading, it seems you're proposing such a project to be done more for fun than to actually try to figure out how everything fits in a timeline. You do you. Yes, it's just for a project I intend to do sometime next year (for the 20th anniversary of Snicket's first book). I was mainly wondering whether to watch each pair of episodes before/after the relevant books, or watch the first season after TMM, the second after TCC, and the third after TE. I'm only wondering about this as I'm watching the 2004 movie after TWW, because I don't want to read, watch, pause, repeat, (not even factoring in the fact that the marriage takes place after Aunt Josephine). This sounds like one of the more enjoyable types of marathon, and I'm not even opposed to running. Since, as Teleram says, the point of this seems to be personal entertainment rather than trying to fit things into a timeline, I have a few suggestions about where to put the Netflix show, depending on your preference: * If you'd like to compare books to adaptations, watch each set of Netflix episodes immediately after the book they adapt. * If you'd like to space out the adaptations from each other so you don't have to watch similar scenes right after each other, watch the Netflix show after you've read TBL Part 2 (asssuming the show will also adapt TBL after TE). This seems like the option that'll appeal to you the most, based on where you've placed the movie. * If you'd like to compare the two adaptations directly, watch Netflix TBB-TWW immediately before the movie, and the rest immediately after (then rest immediately after). Other suggestions: I would personally read one of the annotated versions of TBB instead of the 'regular' edition, so that you can just read the TBB:RE notes naturally immediately after; I'd also place the children's books in order of real-life publication relative to the ASOUE books. Yes, for a Snicket related marathon, it is rather enjoyable, and if I had all the resources right now, I'd already be on it! Regarding your suggestions, they all seem pretty good in their own ways. While it's a good idea to do them episodes after book, I am very frequently in situations in which I can access books easier than Netflix, and it'd be easier to continue on from say, THH to TCC book-wise. I'll also consider the idea of doing them after TBL Part 2, as I've always suspected that added detail in the show is based on further research Snicket has conducted in the decade between books and show (as he's found out about Jacquelyn, Gustav, and Larry-Your-Waiter's etc involvement RE the Baudelaires). However, I've also done comparisions of movie to show a couple of times before. So I'll probably either do the show after TBL Part 2, or do them in seasons' worth after reading the correct books. Your other suggestions are also clever. Doing the annotated version of TBB at a later date than the first edition is also a way of showing what I presume to be further research conducted by Snicket, a key point in my marathon (to show Snicket's complete recorded life and times), but a good idea though. Yes, doing the picture books in publication order after ASOUE is what I'll do, as I've always thought Snicket probably published "dumbed-down" accounts of cases he once investigated in his younger days in order to throw off those after him. Cheers for the suggestions! |
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Post by Dante on Jul 10, 2018 12:25:55 GMT -5
I took the liberty, veryferociousdrama, of merging your two most recent posts, and fixing your quote tags in the first of the two. You can always use the Edit button to add to a very recent post, though I accept that ProBoards's multi-quote system is finicky.
It's interesting that you're planning on rereading the Snicket oeuvre in something approaching chronological order; that may prove an awkward experience at times, as opposed to a publication-order rereading - but as most of us read the books in publication order anyway, then there's nothing particularly original about that experience.
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Post by veryferociousdrama on Jul 10, 2018 12:41:11 GMT -5
I took the liberty, veryferociousdrama, of merging your two most recent posts, and fixing your quote tags in the first of the two. You can always use the Edit button to add to a very recent post, though I accept that ProBoards's multi-quote system is finicky. It's interesting that you're planning on rereading the Snicket oeuvre in something approaching chronological order; that may prove an awkward experience at times, as opposed to a publication-order rereading - but as most of us read the books in publication order anyway, then there's nothing particularly original about that experience. Why thank you Dante, much appreciated! This is my first experience at ProBoards, and I'll have a further look. What do you mean in proving an awkward experience? Although I'm a fairly new member, I've taken a look at this place's back-catalogue, and know that what you don't know about Snicket merchandise ain't worth knowing, so if you wouldn't mind giving me a list book-wise about how you'd do a chronological order, you'd have my eternal thanks! Oh yes, another quick question while I think of it RE the adaptations. I plan to include the tie-ins for the 2004 movie, and The Incomplete History of Secret Organizations. Where should these be put in? |
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Post by Dante on Jul 10, 2018 15:26:40 GMT -5
I mean more awkward in that attempting to reconstruct the internal chronology and reread in that order will probably result in the emergence of many of the cracks in that internal chronology; there has been some debate, for instance, over how to reconcile Snicket's childhood as described in TBL versus that of ATWQ. You could be especially strict about the U.A. if you really wanted to emphasise a chronological order, as chronologically its material is rather broadly scattered, with contention over where exactly some of the pieces even fall. A true chronology I'm not sure is possible, whereas it's very easy to reconstruct release-order rereading - which conveniently situates each book at the point in the series's construction when its information was most relevant (if at all, as with much of the content in the U.A. or the BBRE). Even so, I respect the attempt. To that end, a few notes to assist you in selecting your material: The only real fresh material that came out of the movie tie-in books was a small pamphlet-sized text called The Dismal Dinner (which you can read here, because you sure won't be buying a copy - it came in four pieces with packs of Lunchables), and that's more or less a direct prequel to TBB; and The Puzzling Puzzles, for which you'd really want to read the subsequently-released non-movie edition which contained additional puzzles and an introduction (except for the Egmont edition, which didn't, so go for HarperCollins), and I would have difficulty knowing when to place it chronologically in-universe but there's a case for either pre-series or post- but probably not during. The Incomplete History of Secret Organizations sounds like it's going to be more of a behind-the-scenes piece and therefore not really necessary to include, but I would imagine you'd want to read it directly after watching Season 3; or possibly Season 2, depending on exactly what content it covers (currently unknown as it's currently unreleased). There's a new edition of Horseradish retitled Read Something Else coming out next year, and so long as it includes all the original content then you could probably hang on for that instead of going after the first version, and stacking that last of all seems fair as it must postdate Snicket's written work. |
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Post by A comet crashing into Earth on Jul 10, 2018 15:28:17 GMT -5
I'm glad you enjoyed my suggestions! Oh yes, another quick question while I think of it RE the adaptations. I plan to include the tie-ins for the 2004 movie, and The Incomplete History of Secret Organizations. Where should these be put in? I'd put the tie-ins right before the movie, and TIHoSO right after the show. Keeping in mind that I've only read the tie-ins once, maybe two or three years ago, and obviously I've never read TIHoSO; so I'm making this suggestion on very little authority. |
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Post by veryferociousdrama on Jul 11, 2018 1:20:35 GMT -5
I mean more awkward in that attempting to reconstruct the internal chronology and reread in that order will probably result in the emergence of many of the cracks in that internal chronology; there has been some debate, for instance, over how to reconcile Snicket's childhood as described in TBL versus that of ATWQ. You could be especially strict about the U.A. if you really wanted to emphasise a chronological order, as chronologically its material is rather broadly scattered, with contention over where exactly some of the pieces even fall. A true chronology I'm not sure is possible, whereas it's very easy to reconstruct release-order rereading - which conveniently situates each book at the point in the series's construction when its information was most relevant (if at all, as with much of the content in the U.A. or the BBRE). Even so, I respect the attempt. To that end, a few notes to assist you in selecting your material: The only real fresh material that came out of the movie tie-in books was a small pamphlet-sized text called The Dismal Dinner (which you can read here, because you sure won't be buying a copy - it came in four pieces with packs of Lunchables), and that's more or less a direct prequel to TBB; and The Puzzling Puzzles, for which you'd really want to read the subsequently-released non-movie edition which contained additional puzzles and an introduction (except for the Egmont edition, which didn't, so go for HarperCollins), and I would have difficulty knowing when to place it chronologically in-universe but there's a case for either pre-series or post- but probably not during. The Incomplete History of Secret Organizations sounds like it's going to be more of a behind-the-scenes piece and therefore not really necessary to include, but I would imagine you'd want to read it directly after watching Season 3; or possibly Season 2, depending on exactly what content it covers (currently unknown as it's currently unreleased). There's a new edition of Horseradish retitled Read Something Else coming out next year, and so long as it includes all the original content then you could probably hang on for that instead of going after the first version, and stacking that last of all seems fair as it must postdate Snicket's written work. I see what you mean. Giving Handler's apparent habit of making things up as he goes along, (like Duncan and Isadora apparently being at Prufrock for three semesters, even though the Quagmire fire was after Uncle Monty's death), I've TBH always turned a blind eye to continuity errors in Snicket's work. I've never read TUA, how long a period does the entire book take place over? Being a Doctor Who fan, in which some of us are known are having slightly strange and unorthodox marathons, it feels to be in my nature to do marathons over than the stereotypical, that's why I'm doing it this way.  Thank you very much for the notes for my material. Cheers for giving me a link to TDD, at least it's free, as I wasn't looking forward to probably be bidding ridiculous amounts for some Lunchable item from fourteen years ago.  I'll probably try to procure the non-movie edition then if that's the case. I once saw a few page scans from Behind the Scenes with Count Olaf, and I'm keen to try and get that on the list, even if isn't actually written by Snicket. I believe the Incomplete History will probably include both in and out of universe stuff, apparently there'll be a bit about Aunt Josephine and Ike designing the VFD spyglasses? Oh yes, I'd heard about a new quote book, and I plan to put it at the end. I presume that Poison for Breakfast is also after ASOUE? I'm glad you enjoyed my suggestions! Oh yes, another quick question while I think of it RE the adaptations. I plan to include the tie-ins for the 2004 movie, and The Incomplete History of Secret Organizations. Where should these be put in? I'd put the tie-ins right before the movie, and TIHoSO right after the show. Keeping in mind that I've only read the tie-ins once, maybe two or three years ago, and obviously I've never read TIHoSO; so I'm making this suggestion on very little authority. Yes, I agree, tie-ins right before the movie. But with The Incomplete History, it depends on whether it'll be released before or after the third season. If it doesn't, I'll put t at the end of Netflix's TCC I think. |
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Post by Dante on Jul 11, 2018 3:11:39 GMT -5
If you haven't read the U.A. yet, then it's a bit difficult to explain its interactions with the chronology, and in fact I'm inclined to just let it drop and advise you to enjoy it blind. It's a highly unconventional text.
Regarding TIHoSO, I suspect you've misheard about its contents; I don't think there's anything at present to indicate in-universe material, though I wouldn't be surprised if some of it is at least given a false-document format in a similar vein to the cover. Here's the present description:
As for Poison for Breakfast, we simply don't know where it's going to fall in the chronology at the moment; which is to say, we've presently no idea at what point in Snicket's life it takes place, and probably won't for some little while.
Also, I've combined your posts and cleaned up your quote tags again. Once you've quoted something, you want to write your addition outside of the quote tags.
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Post by veryferociousdrama on Jul 11, 2018 12:26:25 GMT -5
If you haven't read the U.A. yet, then it's a bit difficult to explain its interactions with the chronology, and in fact I'm inclined to just let it drop and advise you to enjoy it blind. It's a highly unconventional text. Regarding TIHoSO, I suspect you've misheard about its contents; I don't think there's anything at present to indicate in-universe material, though I wouldn't be surprised if some of it is at least given a false-document format in a similar vein to the cover. Here's the present description: As for Poison for Breakfast, we simply don't know where it's going to fall in the chronology at the moment; which is to say, we've presently no idea at what point in Snicket's life it takes place, and probably won't for some little while. Also, I've combined your posts and cleaned up your quote tags again. Once you've quoted something, you want to write your addition outside of the quote tags. Testing... Testing... 1.. 2.. Think I've done it right. I'll check in a second. Right, anywho, based on your advice, I've decided before my marathon I'll buy TUA and pre-read it before the marathon, and make my own judgement then. By "in-universe" for the Incomplete History, I'd be looking at the faux documents, such as the pasta puttanesca recipe. Oh yeah, another question while I'm here, the board games I've heard of. Where would you say they fit in Volunteers? |
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Post by Teleram on Jul 11, 2018 13:22:42 GMT -5
There's also a short story Snicket's written called "The Hero of the Story" which you may want to take a look at - though it's not available independently, as it was wrote specifically for, and included in, the collection Guys Read: Heroes & Villains. The Snicket Wiki tells me it takes place very shortly after the events of ATWQ - I've not read it myself, however.
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Post by Dante on Jul 11, 2018 14:55:53 GMT -5
The only board game I can remember off the top of my head is The Perilous Parlor Game; it seems to be chiefly themed around the early books, so post-TBB or -TWW, I suppose - though good luck in finding a copy, as opposed to reading a BoardGameGeek review or some such.
Hmm, I didn't know there was a suggestion that Snicket's Guys Read story was Averse-canon. I've put in an order and will report back in a week or so. (Edit: The order is taking a while to dispatch.)
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Post by veryferociousdrama on Jul 20, 2018 11:36:30 GMT -5
I'm terribly sorry you've had to wait for about ten days to hear my response, I've been busy of late. Cheers for the recommendation about the short story, shall add that to the list. And as for the games, I found two that seemed pretty early on ASOUE wise. They also appeared pretty hard to come by, and not "canon" per say, so I don't think I'll include those after all. Thank you to everyone once again for their help! |
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Post by the panopticountolaf on Jul 21, 2018 8:44:44 GMT -5
There were several promotional items that were sold in Lunchables meals leading up to the Jim Carrey vehicle's movie's release; three of such items were three versions of the Daily Punctilio, corresponding to TBB, TRR, and TWW respectively. I don't know how canon they are (evidence points to Handler at least writing The Dismal Dinner, and maybe something else) but they might be worth looking into.
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I'll probably try to procure the non-movie edition then if that's the case. I once saw a few page scans from Behind the Scenes with Count Olaf, and I'm keen to try and get that on the list, even if isn't actually written by Snicket. I believe the Incomplete History will probably include both in and out of universe stuff, apparently there'll be a bit about Aunt Josephine and Ike designing the VFD spyglasses? Oh yes, I'd heard about a new quote book, and I plan to put it at the end. I presume that Poison for Breakfast is also after ASOUE?
