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Post by tonyvfd on Mar 27, 2019 2:17:40 GMT -5
For long time fans,before the end was published could you share what you tought was going to happen?
As I mention on my introduction, I watched the Netflix series, before reading any book And in some TV series, books, anime etc, some villains would join the "good guys" after a while.
so when I watched the penultimate peril,I thought that Olaf would join the Baudelaire permanently as a member of the team.Although it was the last episode/book I though that it would be mentioned that all will keep having adventures together and was genuinely dissapointed when he died.
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Post by Foxy on Mar 27, 2019 9:54:17 GMT -5
At the end of TGG, I thought the Baudelaires were going to be taken up in the air somehow with Kit Snicket, and because of the air craft in the sky in the last picture, I thought the twelfth book was going to be called "The Zany Zeppelin". Not my best theory. But I thought the Baudelaires were going to be reunited with all three Quagmires and Hector as they fought off the eagles and the MWTBBNH and the WWTHBNB, and I also thought Kit and Hector were a couple, which looking back really doesn't make sense because Hector isn't brave enough for Kit, although he is quite emphatic about her at the end of ATWQ #1.
I thought the thirteenth book was going to be the one to take place at the hotel, and all the characters would be at the hotel, like what they ended up being in the twelfth book, and somehow Olaf would finally be captured.
But ultimately, I like what Snicket did, having the denouement at the hotel. I think that was good story-telling.
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Post by Uncle Algernon on Mar 27, 2019 12:49:23 GMT -5
Seems like a duplicate of a certain earlier thread, if I may… oh well. The Zany Zeppelin sounds awesome, and is a title that definitely should be used for a Hector-centric fanfic, if it hasn't been already. |
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Post by Dante on Mar 27, 2019 16:59:10 GMT -5
Good point. Maybe we should pivot this thread more towards the credibility of the idea of Olaf as a "member of the team," a scenario which we do in effect see that the conclusion of TPP. Over the course of the series, while it was being published, I did occasionally wonder if we might one day see a situation where the Baudelaires and Olaf were trapped together, and had to co-operate in order to escape and survive; I suppose I was right, though the result wasn't anything like what I had imagined. |
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Post by tonyvfd on Mar 27, 2019 21:14:54 GMT -5
Good point. Maybe we should pivot this thread more towards the credibility of the idea of Olaf as a "member of the team," a scenario which we do in effect see that the conclusion of TPP. Over the course of the series, while it was being published, I did occasionally wonder if we might one day see a situation where the Baudelaires and Olaf were trapped together, and had to co-operate in order to escape and survive; I suppose I was right, though the result wasn't anything like what I had imagined. Well, they could have made an uneasy alliance by necessity if they have to fight a common enemy. avoid capture by the authorities(after the penultimate peril they are all fugitives after all) ,find the sugar bowl etc. Violet could have been the leader, Klauss the brain, sunny the brawn, and Olaf the wild card/comic relief. If you don't mind and still remember could you tell me what did you Imagine? |
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Post by Dante on Mar 28, 2019 7:17:40 GMT -5
I had always pictured something more like them being trapped in an old mine after a cave-in, or something like that. It wasn't a specific theory about future events, more of a general what-if of what sort of scenario might demand this sort of co-operation.
No, separate from "theories about the series in general," my ideas about "what will happen next" - I suppose you could call that the difference between "what will happen" and "what has already happened" - could get pretty elaborate, but I didn't quite see the Baudelaires and Olaf working so closely together.
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Post by Foxy on Mar 29, 2019 8:33:21 GMT -5
I just don't think Olaf could be a team member. He isn't even a good leader for his troupe, as is exhibited in the later books. When the Baudelaires "join" him at the end of TPP, he has no clue what he's doing, and the Baudelaires have to do pretty much all his work for him, getting the door open, getting the boat off the roof, thinking up the plan to burn the hotel down. Then, when they are on the boat, again Olaf is not a helpful team member. He just orders them to the nearest car dealership and thinks up unhelpful schemes. The Baudelaires row and provide food. Nothing about Count Olaf screams "part of a team" to me.
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Post by tonyvfd on Mar 29, 2019 18:04:15 GMT -5
I just don't think Olaf could be a team member. He isn't even a good leader for his troupe, as is exhibited in the later books. When the Baudelaires "join" him at the end of TPP, he has no clue what he's doing, and the Baudelaires have to do pretty much all his work for him, getting the door open, getting the boat off the roof, thinking up the plan to burn the hotel down. Then, when they are on the boat, again Olaf is not a helpful team member. He just orders them to the nearest car dealership and thinks up unhelpful schemes. The Baudelaires row and provide food. Nothing about Count Olaf screams "part of a team" to me. Well IMHO, they would have been arrested if they had not followed Olaf,so he save them even if involuntary. He also provided the getaway boat as the hotel was surrounded by the authorities, and could not have escaped otherwise. |
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Post by Uncle Algernon on Mar 29, 2019 19:41:56 GMT -5
I just don't think Olaf could be a team member. He isn't even a good leader for his troupe, as is exhibited in the later books. When the Baudelaires "join" him at the end of TPP, he has no clue what he's doing, and the Baudelaires have to do pretty much all his work for him, getting the door open, getting the boat off the roof, thinking up the plan to burn the hotel down. Then, when they are on the boat, again Olaf is not a helpful team member. He just orders them to the nearest car dealership and thinks up unhelpful schemes. The Baudelaires row and provide food. Nothing about Count Olaf screams "part of a team" to me. The Netflix series depicted Olaf as being in the process of losing his sanity throught TPP, and while not as overt, I think such an interpretation is easy to paste onto the books as well. But the Netflix series also stated with more certainty than the books every did (but that does not mean we should preclude it being true in the books' universe as well) that in his youth, Olaf was a competent, even well-liked Volunteer, before his parent-murder-aided descent into darkness and wretchedness. It is not altogether absurd to imagine him regaining that same spirit through some series of fortunate events. |
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Post by Foxy on Mar 30, 2019 9:22:40 GMT -5
Well IMHO, they would have been arrested if they had not followed Olaf,so he save them even if involuntary. He also provided the getaway boat as the hotel was surrounded by the authorities, and could not have escaped otherwise. I'm not sure what "IMHO" means, but I see your point about the boat. The Netflix series depicted Olaf as being in the process of losing his sanity throught TPP, and while not as overt, I think such an interpretation is easy to paste onto the books as well. But the Netflix series also stated with more certainty than the books every did (but that does not mean we should preclude it being true in the books' universe as well) that in his youth, Olaf was a competent, even well-liked Volunteer, before his parent-murder-aided descent into darkness and wretchedness. It is not altogether absurd to imagine him regaining that same spirit through some series of fortunate events. I suppose you are right; Olaf could pull a Darth Vader and come back to the light side.  |
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Post by tonyvfd on Mar 30, 2019 11:14:05 GMT -5
In my humble opinion
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Post by Uncle Algernon on Mar 30, 2019 13:56:26 GMT -5
I'm not sure what "IMHO" means, but I see your point about the boat. IMHO means “In My Humble Opinion”. Unless it is immediately followed by TEP, in which case it means a certain much-maligned Architect of Ancient Egypt, though that, admittedly, is neither here nor there. |
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Post by theplague on Aug 15, 2019 23:04:32 GMT -5
God if this happened ten year old me would have been so pissed. I was still upset about Uncle Monty.
In any case the direction the story took with Count Olaf was much more interesting than any redemption arc would have been. I loved having the hate sink spend the entire last book as a pathetic, pitiable mess. It makes you feel so conflicted and uncomfortable. Very in line with the tone of the series.
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