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Post by thathoboravioli on Aug 16, 2020 20:59:48 GMT -5
Movie Trailers
This is the film's first US trailer, released while filming was still going on due to the delayed schedule. This is the film's second US trailer. The film's international trailer. No video from the english language version remains, so I took a bootleg of its audio and synched it up to an HD copy of the German version. It also includes footage and narration from Lemony Snicket that didn't end up in the finished movie. A TV commercial for the film centred around Violet which includes narration and footage that didn't end up in the final movie. A TV commercial for the film centred around Klaus which includes narration and footage that didn't end up in the final movie. A commercial for the movie's tie-in website, narrated by Jude Law. A behind the scenes video hosted by Liam Aiken. A commercial for a tie-in contest. A TV promo for the movie. So much of the material here and in the screenshots keep making me want to hunt down an assembly cut of the film, as a lot of the material seems to be left out even in the deleted scenes on my copy of the DVD. Particularly the shot of Klaus with the gas mask. I won't lie, when I was working on The Beastly Banquet I actually had a lot of those scenes in mind, along with some of the more bonkers stuff that made it into the video games (Count Olaf's house being infested with super rats and spiders, the Baudelaires inventing machines that throw apple cores and rocks, Cloudy Cliffs Court, etc.) The site mentions clips from the movie, and I remember hearing somewhere that MTV aired the train scene once and it had the OST version of "An Unpleasant Incident Involving a Train", which was a suspenseful ethnic+woodwinds track that had a variation play during the leech scene and Aunt Josephine's death instead of the alternate Attack of the Hook-Handed Man/Hurricane Herman we got in the final film. I wonder if that included the Curdled Cave scene but with "Interlude with Sailboat" (variation of Jo's theme) playing instead of "Curdled Cave"
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Post by gothicarchiesfan on Aug 16, 2020 21:49:37 GMT -5
So much of the material here and in the screenshots keep making me want to hunt down an assembly cut of the film, as a lot of the material seems to be left out even in the deleted scenes on my copy of the DVD. Particularly the shot of Klaus with the gas mask. I won't lie, when I was working on The Beastly Banquet I actually had a lot of those scenes in mind, along with some of the more bonkers stuff that made it into the video games (Count Olaf's house being infested with super rats and spiders, the Baudelaires inventing machines that throw apple cores and rocks, Cloudy Cliffs Court, etc.) The site mentions clips from the movie, and I remember hearing somewhere that MTV aired the train scene once and it had the OST version of "An Unpleasant Incident Involving a Train", which was a suspenseful ethnic+woodwinds track that had a variation play during the leech scene and Aunt Josephine's death instead of the alternate Attack of the Hook-Handed Man/Hurricane Herman we got in the final film. I wonder if that included the Curdled Cave scene but with "Interlude with Sailboat" (variation of Jo's theme) playing instead of "Curdled Cave" I'm honestly kind of sad that Brad Silberling never really got a chance to make any kind of uncompromised director's cut as the studio was already messingwith the editing while filming was still ongoing. It's strange that this movie had so many different cuts made and yet not one of them has leaked. However, I've been working on gathering every picture and scrap of footage we have from every deleted/alternate scene from the film, including all those mysteriously left off the DVD, in the hopes that we can at least have a semi-complete guide to what was left on the cutting room floor.
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Aug 17, 2020 6:40:29 GMT -5
I finished watching the film, with the adaptation of the final part of TBB. I think that here the Olaf's appearance and cruelty stood out. I didn't remember the costume he was wearing backstage when he was with Justice Strauss, but it was very interesting. Justice Strauss' performance here was very good and consistent.
The appearance of the person with an undefined gender was the only thing that really bothered me.
DH's Cameo was fun, but I was left with a desire to see more of it. How did he end up in this film? About Klaus's genius I thought it was really cool for him to ask himself what Violet would do. Violet is the one who stands out in this film as the leader of the three, and the example to be followed, and the person you want to be with when problems arise. In a way, this is even perceived by Count Olaf, who was concerned with making Violet and Sunny's abilities useless, but left Klaus free during the play. It was good to give him a leading role in the end, even though he had to think "what would Violet do?" This came from TMM, I think.
Here it was made explicit that Olaf caused the fire. But I found it a little weak that the destruction of the marriage certificate served to invalidate the marriage. After all, there were witnesses and a judge who validated the marriage. So the ending, despite being more beautiful to watch, had less sense than the end of the book and even less sense than the Netflix show. Furthermore, it was not very clear why Olaf was arrested. When Poe had Olaf arrested, the policeman asked "about what charge?" And the prosecution was not brought. It could have been a threat to a baby, but no one seems to have noticed Sunny's condition.
But anyway, it may not make sense, but it is still beautiful. And Olaf's punishment was cartoonish, meaningless to think about how he survived, but still funny and gives a very pleasant "justice has been done" flavor. What is difficult to feel in the books, even with Olaf's death in TE, I never felt that feeling that the film brings. And that is a relief to the ASOUE multiverse, to know that Olaf in some alternative reality paid for his crimes. He may have run away, but he still suffered before. An eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth. The ending with the Baudelaires going to the house and finding a letter that never arrived is beautiful, current, and I believe that this concept influenced DH a little - A letter that never arrived and that changed the status quo of the situation. After all, why else would he have entered this film to make just a Cameo?
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Post by gothicarchiesfan on Aug 17, 2020 9:01:46 GMT -5
Deleted And Alternate Scenes : Part 1 This is a collection of all the pictures/footage/information I could find of scenes from the movie that were filmed and then either dropped or replaced, most of which cannot be found in the DVD's deleted scenes section. This was meant to be the opening shot of the Briny Beach sequence, with the photograph that Lemony Snicket was looking at dissolving into a wide shot of all 3 children before he introduced them. However, this whole sequence was massively restructured and cut down to basically just the bare essentials, largely so the movie could get to Jim Carrey’s scenes more quickly. The movie did keep the photograph dissolve but changed it to be a picture of Violet.
Here we have Violet's rock retriever device, and Violet herself, retrieving... a rock. This sequence was dropped from the film after most of it had been shot so sadly there is no complete version.
At the end of the scene, you can see that Violet looks toward the camera and says her movie catchphrase "there's always something". The idea of the children looking toward the audience and summing up their philosophies is another idea that seems to have been dropped during filming.
The sequence where Violet makes her reading light for Klaus was also meant to be much longer scene. Going in-depth on how she fashioned it out of materials she found around the house. Another intriguing deletion from the film is this shot where Bertrand and or Beatrice calls Violet down for dinner, a moment which comes directly from Daniel Handler's original screenplay for the Barry Sonnenfeld film. Apart from fitting the mandate of getting to Jim Carrey faster, this scene also seems to have been removed as part of a movie-wide attempt to downplay any direct and overt references to VFD and the Baudelaire parents. Presumably to leave the studio's casting and writing options open for the potential sequel. Another deleted moment from this sequence where we cut from Violet placing the book light down to her putting it on Klaus' head, thus serving as our original introduction to him. Here we have yet another scene where Violet talks to the camera and introduces herself, this was filmed relatively late into the production, so until mid-2004, Brad Silberling was still set on having a scene where Violet introduced herself. Presumably, this was shot to replace the unfinished rock retrieving scene. This shot of Klaus with his glasses on was likely going to be part of his deleted original introduction, as the film would cut from him wearing Violet's book light, to him putting his glasses on while at Briny Beach. The film would then cut to him reading in the library until either Beatrice or Bertrand called him for dinner. This would then be followed by Sunny's introduction where we would see Violet and Klaus sitting at the table but no Sunny.
The camera would then pan down the table and we'd see Sunny biting onto it. While this whole sequence was cut, the shot of Sunny was left in the movie, though the context about the family eating dinner was lost somewhat. Klaus would then turn toward the camera and say "never underestimate the power of research". These are two different takes of the scene that somehow managed to wind up in a lot of tv commercials, despite the moment being cut from the film itself. An deleted shot of Mr Poe approaching the children. For some reason, each of the film's US trailers used different footage of the Baudelaires going through their mansion's ruins, none of which was actually in the film itself. A deleted shot of Klaus picking up Violet's book light. We finally get to Jim Carrey as Olaf and here's where the deleted and alternate scenes really start to ramp up. Carrey was notoriously difficult during the production and caused it to be delayed multiple as he asked for scenes to be rewritten and reshot, oftentimes while in the middle of filming them. In this scene, Olaf recites one of Shakespeare's soliloquies on the subject of death and tries to pass it off as his own writing, looking very irritated when Klaus calls him out on it. In this short snippet, we can see Olaf wildly dancing around, presumably one of Carrey's improvs that got left on the cutting room for. Originally, Lemony Snicket's narration about first impressions often being wrong did not occur directly after the children are locked in their room by Count Olaf, but by a deleted scene following it where Violet and Klaus argue about what to do.
Violet tells Klaus not to worry about Count Olaf since he just might not be able to make a very good first impression. This scene would then cut to Lemony's narration and the Sunny/Klaus flashback.
:Edit: I need to do some work now but I'll post the rest in a few hours.
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Post by Mr. Sharpe on Aug 17, 2020 11:21:03 GMT -5
It’s been a long time since I’ve seen the film in its entirely, but I watched it so many times as a kid and remember it so well. I am loving reading all of this information about the production that I would have been too young to understand at the time. One thing- I have never noticed Daniel Handler’s cameo. Obviously his appearance in the show was obvious, but where did he appear in the film?
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Aug 17, 2020 14:26:14 GMT -5
Sorry, that was a joke of mine. DH here is Dustin Hoffmann.
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Post by Mr. Sharpe on Aug 17, 2020 14:39:23 GMT -5
Oh yes I do remember his cameo well! On the Lemony Snicket wiki, it does say that Daniel Handler appears uncredited as “Photographer” but as I said, I have yet to find him.
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Post by gothicarchiesfan on Aug 17, 2020 19:04:18 GMT -5
Deleted And Alternate Scenes : Part 2 This is a collection of all the pictures/footage/information I could find of scenes from the movie that were filmed and then either dropped or replaced, most of which cannot be found in the DVD's deleted scenes section. Here we can see Klaus cleaning the broken down stage area at the back of Count Olaf's garden until he's distracted by the daylight reflecting off the magnification lens in the tower room, leading him to wonder what could be up there. This was part of an overall subplot that ended up being mostly cut, where Klaus would be the one trying to solve the mystery of the Baudelaire parents' death and VFD. Bits of it can still be seen in the finished film where Klaus is the one who asks what's in the tower and points out Uncle Monty's spyglass. The whole montage of the children doing chores in the film was originally longer and showed what they were getting up to in more detail. Then, when the movie was shortned, most of these scenes ended up getting trimmed or deleted entirely. This scene, where the Hook Handed man tears off his fake hands and threatens the children with his hook was likely cut for being too scary but ultimately caused massive problems for people who hadn't read the books since they had no idea he had hook-hands until the scene at the very end.
The movie massively edits the troupe's already small roles into basically being just background characters which is something of a problem since several scenes in the movie revolve around recognizing them instantly even while in disguise like the end of the TRR sequence. This scene takes place directly after the one where the hook-handed man threatens the children, but isn't even included on the DVD's Deleted Scenes, which shows you just how many edits this film went through. Even the deleted scenes have deleted scenes. In it, Count Olaf gives a monologue to his troupe about the nature of acting and how much money they will all soon have thanks to Violet, Klaus, and Sunny. Then they settle down for a nice drinking session. LIkely another reason why this scene was cut. The troupe all call out characters for Olaf to play from their upcoming production of the Marvelous Carriage and he does them all except for the Hook Handed Man's request to play a pirate, which meets with anger. Each member of the troupe seems to have had their own little subplots which ultimately ended up being discarded in the final product. The Hook Handed Man's seems to have been a desire to play pirate characters who share his hook hands so he doesn't have to cover them. Count Olaf auditions the White-Faced Women for a role in his play and implies that they only way they'll be able to get the part is if they sleep with him, no guesses needed as to why that moment was cut. The White-Faced Women's cut subplot seems to have been a desire to not only get bigger parts in Count Olaf's shows but also bed him while disliking each other intensely. In another cut scene, Count Olaf coaches the Henchperson of Indeterminate Gender through a scene while they are suffering from a bout of stage fright. Their cut subplot seeming to be about a lack of confidence in themselves. Another deleted moment from this sequence where we see Olaf sitting down and chatting with the troupe. A deleted segment from the scene where Count Olaf impersonates a dinosaur that ended up in one of the TV Trailers. Another deleted moment from the dinosaur scene, where Olaf wanders round the house and scares Klaus off while he and Violet are cooking the puttanesca. Yet more deleted Jim Carrey improvs as Count Olaf lounges around on the ground while the children finish cooking dinner and begin to serve it. After the children fail to serve roast beef, Olaf hops onto the table and destroys all their hard work, leading to thunderous applause from his troupe.
Another fairly substantial deleted segment of the film is what happens after the Baudelaires make their sanctuary. In the film it just cuts straight to the judge giving Olaf custody of the children but it originally played out quite a bit differently.
The children were to be woken up in the morning by the sound of Olaf mocking them, and then destroying their tent, wereupon he would angrily drag them to the courthouse. During this sequence, we would also see the troupe lazing around the house in a drunken stupor with the two White-Faced Women in a state of undress after an implied night with Olaf. This would explain why the troupe weren't with Olaf at the Courthouse and the Last Chance General store. This whole segment of the film seems to have been cut to make the film shorter and remove any material that adult's would consider too inapproate for their children. A moment that was either cut or replaced from the train sequence where Olaf says something very dramatic to the children while wearing his long top hat. An alternative version of the scene where Count Olaf picks a soda that shows him practicing what he's going to say to Mr Poe after the children get killed by the train. A deleted shot of the car on the railroad tracks that ended up in the international trailer. As the children despreatley try to foil his plan and divert the train, Count Olaf taste tests different sodas inside the Last Chance General Store and tries to guess their brands
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Post by thathoboravioli on Aug 17, 2020 20:05:55 GMT -5
These deleted scenes are making me want to obtain the Reality Stone so that we can get the Silberling Cut, an expanded soundtrack for this film and 1492: Conquest of Paradise, and 7 Amazing Spider-Man movies that are part of the MCU but have nothing to do with Iron Man.
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Post by deathtentaclesandpip on Aug 18, 2020 0:24:33 GMT -5
I know I'm a bit late to the conversation, but I just thought I'd share some of my thoughts on the film.
I sometimes hate to admit it, but tonally, there's a lot that the film gets right. To me, the books just have this incredibly unique aesthetic that I don't think is perfectly captured anywhere outside of the writing, Brett Helquist's illustrations, and the music of the Gothic Archies. However, this film, and particularly its score, come pretty close. I've said this many times before, but I think that if the film had removed some of the more goth/steampunk elements of the costumes, props, and sets, the tone would've been basically perfect. Some of the standouts for me in this department are Uncle Monty's house (and Lousy Lane), that one shot at the end with the trees hanging over the road, and the appearance of the mansion before it's burned down. For me, these specific moments, and many others throughout the film, capture the spirit of Lemony Snicket's writing so well. Briny Beach is also FANTASTIC.
I mentioned Thomas Newman's score a bit ago, and for good reason. I think it's one of the best film scores ever written, and I was honestly surprised it didn't win the Oscar until I looked and saw how stiff the competition was that year. Newman's use of irregular instruments and sounds is just perfect, and his music brings a deep sadness to the movie that accentuates some of the other elements and really makes the tone feel unique and similar to the books.
Like the Netflix show, I don't think the movie ever gets dark enough. I know people sometimes say that the books aren't actually as dark as people think they are, but I still remember feeling incredibly rebellious when reading about some of the particularly awful things from the books, such as Olaf's scratchy fingers or Violet cutting her shoulder open while trying to use her grappling hook. The darkness in the books has a roughness and is often accompanied by a feeling of deep dread due to Handler's incredible writing, and I wish the movie had gone just a bit darker, and not always brought so much comedy in right away after a dark moment. That being said, there are definitely moments I think the movie does a good job with the darkness. Olaf's knife glinting in the dark hallway is pretty great, and even though the Netflix show tried to make the Klaus slap moment more serious, I think the movie actually did a pretty great job with that part.
Overall, I obviously don't think it was a great idea to smush three books into one movie, and there are lots of other problems with casting, humor, acting, etc., but as a massive fan of the books, in my mind the movie has several successes as well.
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Post by gothicarchiesfan on Aug 18, 2020 3:10:49 GMT -5
Deleted And Alternate Scenes : Part 3
An alternate shot of Uncle Monty inviting the children into the Reptile Room from the film's second US trailer. The original version of Stephano was modelled after swashbuckling European actors like Antonio Banderas but was eventually changed at the last minute due to Carrey's constant requests for rewrites. It's unclear how much, if any, footage was filmed with this incarnation but as all of Carrey's other costume fittings and voice improves were filmed in pre-production, it's likely that some footage of it in action does remain. A deleted montage of the children enjoying life at Monty's house was cut out of the film so that Jim Carrey wouldn't be offscreen for too long. An alternative version of Stephano's entrance from the film's international trailer. Deleted moments from Stephano's entrence that ended up in the international trailer and tv spots. A cut moment from Stephano's conversation with Uncle Monty where he says "and then the unthinkable happened". Since that doesn't really much up with what he's talking about in the final film, it can be assumed that this yet another very different version of an esxisiting scene in the movie. A deleted shot of Sunny being "attacked" by the Incredibly Deadly Viper. Another deleted shot of Sunny playing with Ink. Here we see the fate of the mysterious Captain Sam, whose name appears in the credits and yet is nowhere to be seen in the finished movie. Josephine asks where he's gone and Olaf tells her that he had to leave as he was getting "that sinking feeling". This seems like yet another scene that was cut for being too dark, as unlike Gustav's fate with the train, there is very little doubt about his chances of survival here. Captain Sham flirts with Aunt Josephine as they stroll through town. A deleted moment from the Leech attack. Count Olaf's approach towards the boat was originally longer and involved him singing a sea shanty in his Captain Sham voice. Count Olaf threatens Josephine's life in yet another moment that was cut for being too dark. Josephine's death was originally much longer and actually seen on screen but it was also cut for being too grim for family audiences.
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Post by gothicarchiesfan on Aug 18, 2020 6:48:08 GMT -5
Deleted And Alternate Scenes : Part 4 We enter the fourth and final part of this collection of deleted scenes, this time all centering in some way on the Marvelous Marriage segment of the film. This is by far the most edited down section of the movie, by my estimate this scene had close to 20-30 minutes just sheared out of it. Pretty much every supporting character in the film got some kind of mini subplot and when the decision came to focus the film mostly on Carrey and to make it generally shorter they all had to go. In fact, Steven Spielberg actually brought on Micheal Kahn (his go-to editor) specifically to help cut this whole sequence down to as short as it could be while still working as a climax to the movie. Now obviously there were far more deleted/alternate scenes than the ones I've presented here, this collection of posts was simply to gather all of the ones we know about and try to reconstruct what the original intentions for the movie were. Originally, the audience was meant to see what every supporting character was up to during the pre-show with the bald-headed man being the play's only technician, running around making sure everything was being set up correctly. Here we see Arthur and Polly Poe (her only appearance in any adaptation) excitedly make their way through the line at Marvelous Marriage premier. They, like a couple of other characters, were going to be commenting on the play as it unfolded. Here we see that Count Olaf was going to start off the sequence in his tower room, with the Henchperson of Indeterminate Gender applying his makeup and wig. In this scene, the critic and the cop would have introduced themselves to each other and begun to comment on the play. The sequence would've kept cutting back to them as various events unfolded and they gave their thoughts on them. One of the White-Faced Women complains to Violet about the unpleasant life of an actor in the theatre while the other enters with Klaus in his camel costume, thus explaining why, in the finished film, he's wearing an odd brown blanket. The Hook Handed Man introduces the play and pretends to be a pirate, only to be yanked offstage by an angry Olaf. The Henchperson of Indeterminate Gender tries to encourage Violet to look on the bright side of things. It doesn't work. This scene shows the play in full swing as Olaf and the Hook Handed man play two men enlisted in the foreign legion. As the play goes on Olaf responds to some hecklers from a previous scene (of which no footage/pictures could be found) and throws a bloodied head at the audience. Olaf gapas in shock when he sees his camel is not Klaus but the Bald Man, whom Klaus has convinced to switch place with, since it will give him a chance to actually be on stage during the show. Olaf angrily demands that the curtain be closed and Klaus found at once. Klaus tries to avoid being found by the Hook Handed man as he makes his way across the backyard and towards the house. An alternative version of Count Olaf's supposed punishments. I say supposed because in the original cut none of them were meant to be actually real. At the end of the sequence, Lemony Snicket was supposed to intone that he wishes this were the story he could tell. Optimism is my Phil-osophy mentioned that the film's ending seemed kind of out of left field and that's because of this next cut. Possibly the most important one in the entire movie. Lemony would then show us what really happened as Count Olaf escaped from the theatre before anyone could catch him. Cryptically telling Violet that "there are more of us than there are of you" before yelling that he'll return. This deletion (and the subsequent removal of the VFD references throughout the movie) required the ending scenes to be totally rewritten and restructured during post-production. With new narration from Lemony Snicket placed over reused footage and deleted scenes to paper over the holes. Dante this may be of interest to you given your previous question about how much the nature of the VFD references changed during the film's production. Bonus Gifs An alternate version of the film's logo used in the TV commercials. An easter egg of Jim Carrey playing with the lens while in costume is avalible on the DVD. It's unclear if this was ever even meant to be a part of the film at any point so I figured it should go here. An HD version of Count Olaf's escape from the final trailer. Given that all the effects were finished and it was still appearing in marketing in October/November, it's pretty clear that this was cut very close to release.
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Post by thathoboravioli on Aug 18, 2020 16:35:52 GMT -5
Where did you find a lot of those deleted scenes within deleted scenes? Did someone hack DreamWorks/Paramount the same way a ton of Amazing Spider-Man stuff including 2's recording sessions leaked during the 2014 Sony Hack?
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Post by counto on Aug 19, 2020 3:58:06 GMT -5
One of the main problems I had with the film adaption was the characters.
Klaus Baudelaire - Doesn't wear glasses, unless he's reading. Which I find a major plot hole from the original book source material.
Mr Poe - Timothy Spall is a great actor for him. One issue is that he doesn't have the character's trade mark cough. Which I guess would interfere with the lines.
Olaf's Henchmen - In the Netflix version, Olaf's henchmen get more lime light than the film.
Baudelaire Parents - While we never saw the Baudelaire's actual parents, it would've been nice to see them together with their kids in a flashback before the fire.
That being said, the rest of the film is good.
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Post by gothicarchiesfan on Aug 19, 2020 6:18:59 GMT -5
Where did you find a lot of those deleted scenes within deleted scenes? Did someone hack DreamWorks/Paramount the same way a ton of Amazing Spider-Man stuff including 2's recording sessions leaked during the 2014 Sony Hack? The footage was gathered from officially released material, mostly from "making of" bonus features on the DVD and TV Spots/Trailers. Almost none of it (excluding the few from the Deleted Scenes section) were actually complete. Hence why there are no clips and instead just gifs and photos. All the information I've gleaned about them comes from old test screening reports, the DVD audio commentary, and articles written about the film from the time of its release. I just found them all, gathered them, and then put it all in order. There are still many more cut scenes and moments from the film that have yet to surface anywhere but I'll hold out hope that one day they will even if it's rather unlikely.
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