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Post by El Juanico Diez on May 10, 2021 20:50:00 GMT -5
I will reread asoue on my own. I will read the 13 books backwards, in preparation for PFB.
Whoever wants to accompany me, feel free.
I must put my personal observations here ... And I must consult what has already been written. Whoever wishes, can also comment, of course.
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Post by El Juanico Diez on May 10, 2021 20:58:35 GMT -5
The End: Sinopse - According to Lemony in the synopsis of the book, we would find "a truly haunting secret about the Baudelaire parents". I don't really remember a really scary secret explicitly said in this book about the Baudelaires' parents. It will be encouraging to try to remember what this secret is ... Especially since I really like the mystery surrounding Beatrice. (And revealing Beatrice's name is not at all scary). The secret surrounding the fact that they possibly killed Count Olaf's parents was gradually revealed in TGG and TPP, and it is not really explicit that they actually killed Count Oalf's parents. I wonder if Lemony Snicket, after writing TE, decided to write this synopsis. So, from his point of view, there is really a scary secret about the Baudelaire parents here. Intriguing.
"It has been my solemn occupation to complete the history of the Baudelaire orphans, and at last I am finished."
This choice of words "I am finished", is a reference to the booklet 13 shocking secrets. Secret 13 is "He is finished". Anyway, I think this is a bit morbid, and for some reason I can't seem to refer to just the fact that he finished his research work on the Baudelaires.
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Post by El Juanico Diez on May 10, 2021 21:15:32 GMT -5
Chapter 1: Early on, the Baudelaires' story is compared to an onion. I think this is appropriate, and I have to say that I have always seen that this story has several complex layers. Although it was not the author's original plan, what he wrote and the way he wrote ended up making the story bigger and more complex than it appears to be in casual reading. I believe, however, that when writing TE, Daniel Handler had already realized this very well, that is, he had noticed the ASOUE effect and created admiration for it. And TE is a great tribute to the ASOUE effect, and a way to reinforce it. I think he finally did it intentionally. And the introduction just makes it very clear to the reader that he is doing it on purpose this time. I want to take advantage and reinforce with this that TBL, which was written at the same time, has the same intention of the author in this regard. So, I think TBL and TE are more complex books than they appear to be and were created with that intention.
"Klaus, the middle sibling and the only boy, would have remembered useful facts from one of the thousands of books he had read" - this phrase serves to highlight Klaus's memory. I believe it is fundamental to the logic of ASOUE that children have the ability to remember the details of things. My theory is that the Baudelaires wrote the story from their point of view, and recorded it on that island. And Lemony found their record and relied on writing all of ASOUE's books. And that is why it is so evident since TBB that Lemony had access to the things that the Baudelaires thought and talked about in private. It is significant that Lemony demonstrates this ability only with the Baudelaires and not with any other character.
"Klaus had been writing down the details of the Baudelaires' situation in this dark blue notebook, including the fact that it was the Baudelaires, not Olaf, who had burned down the Hotel Denouement." This sentence is significant. This shows that Klaus was already determined to record the main events described in asoue from his point of view. He hadn't even stopped writing about the crime he committed. Lemony, the narrator, knows the contents of this book. I think it's easy to conclude that Lemony had access to the Baudelaires' writings, (either in this blue cover book or in another book). But most importantly, Lemony wrote about what the Baudelaires had written before. The on-the-spot research he did served to confirm what was in the Baudelaires' writings.
The consideration of the moral compass is really interesting and makes us think.
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Post by El Juanico Diez on May 10, 2021 22:05:19 GMT -5
Chapter 2: "I have already stood on a large, wooden boat with a notebook and pen, ready to take notes should a storm suddenly strike, and by the time the storm cleared I was so shakenby the experience that I never wanted to speak of it again." Again, I want to show that Daniel Handler had the intention of making Lemony almost accidentally find the writings of the Baudelaire left on the island. He showed that Lemony was probably also a shipwreck, and then created a plot in which basically everything that falls into the sea sooner or later ends up on that island. So ... If Lemony was a castaway and survived it is very likely that he ended up stopping on that island. And there, he must have found the account written by the Baudelaires, which helped him a lot in the research he had already started.
"When you find yourself tongue-tied in front of someone you do not know, you might want to remember something the Baudelaires' mother told them long ago, and something she told me even longer ago. I can see her now, sitting on a small couch she used to keep in the corner of her bedroom, adjusting the straps of her sandals with one hand and munching on an apple with the other, telling me not to worry about the party that was beginning downstairs. "People love to talk about themselves, Mr. Snicket," she said to me, between bites of apple. "If you find yourself wondering what to say to any of the guests, ask them which secret code they prefer, or find out whom they've been spying on lately."
This scene is very curious ... Lemony was with Beatrice in her bedroom, while she apparently finished getting ready. This seems very intimate. At the same time, she calls him "Mr. Snicket" instead of "Lemony". It probably happened before her marriage to Bertrand (which allowed Lemony to have access to her room) and after she broke up with him (which would explain why she was trying to keep the matter between them at the professional level). If we consider this to be true, we can see that there was a period of time when Lemony was in The City city, he was no longer engaged to Beatrice and she was not married to Bertrand yet. When I was working with Cuouto on a chronology, I was able to come to the conclusion that this time really existed, and that was when the battle for salmon occurred. Shortly after the quasi-wedding, Lemony fled abroad. He received Beatrice's 200-page letter while he was abroad (which is why she had to send it by pigeons). Evidently the reasons are not because she was about to marry Bertrand at that time. After that, Lemony returned from abroad and fought along with Jaques and Kit. Apparently he still had a chance to spy on some people during a party that took place at Beatrice's house. She still liked him, and he liked her (but still they shouldn't be married). So, it was only after she thought he had died (which happened after that event), that she married Bertrand and ended up on the island. I think this is the logical sense of fitting all these events together. (Oh, and the fact that Beatrice is eating an apple, just shows that she liked apples, and can invent something involving apples must have been something she liked to do.)
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Post by El Juanico Diez on May 10, 2021 23:03:45 GMT -5
Chapter 3: I never thought that cordial is an alcoholic drink, that Friday is only 7 or 8 years old, and that she has been forced to drink alcohol since she was weaned.
I wonder where the custom comes from having to bite an apple, spit and then leave the island on the day of the decision.
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Post by carmelita0cheryl on May 11, 2021 15:32:39 GMT -5
The End: Sinopse - According to Lemony in the synopsis of the book, we would find "a truly haunting secret about the Baudelaire parents". I don't really remember a really scary secret explicitly said in this book about the Baudelaires' parents. It will be encouraging to try to remember what this secret is ... Especially since I really like the mystery surrounding Beatrice. (And revealing Beatrice's name is not at all scary). The secret surrounding the fact that they possibly killed Count Olaf's parents was gradually revealed in TGG and TPP, and it is not really explicit that they actually killed Count Oalf's parents. I wonder if Lemony Snicket, after writing TE, decided to write this synopsis. So, from his point of view, there is really a scary secret about the Baudelaire parents here. Intriguing. "It has been my solemn occupation to complete the history of the Baudelaire orphans, and at last I am finished."
This choice of words "I am finished", is a reference to the booklet 13 shocking secrets. Secret 13 is "He is finished". Anyway, I think this is a bit morbid, and for some reason I can't seem to refer to just the fact that he finished his research work on the Baudelaires.
The secret reminds me of this theory a-series-of-unfortunate-events-theories.fandom.com/wiki/VFD_recruiters_buried_under_the_Baudelaire_mansion |
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Post by El Juanico Diez on May 11, 2021 16:24:06 GMT -5
The End: Sinopse - According to Lemony in the synopsis of the book, we would find "a truly haunting secret about the Baudelaire parents". I don't really remember a really scary secret explicitly said in this book about the Baudelaires' parents. It will be encouraging to try to remember what this secret is ... Especially since I really like the mystery surrounding Beatrice. (And revealing Beatrice's name is not at all scary). The secret surrounding the fact that they possibly killed Count Olaf's parents was gradually revealed in TGG and TPP, and it is not really explicit that they actually killed Count Oalf's parents. I wonder if Lemony Snicket, after writing TE, decided to write this synopsis. So, from his point of view, there is really a scary secret about the Baudelaire parents here. Intriguing. "It has been my solemn occupation to complete the history of the Baudelaire orphans, and at last I am finished."
This choice of words "I am finished", is a reference to the booklet 13 shocking secrets. Secret 13 is "He is finished". Anyway, I think this is a bit morbid, and for some reason I can't seem to refer to just the fact that he finished his research work on the Baudelaires.
The secret reminds me of this theory a-series-of-unfortunate-events-theories.fandom.com/wiki/VFD_recruiters_buried_under_the_Baudelaire_mansionThanks! I think this theory is really morbid enough ... But even a little more morbid than I would like. And, as far as LSTUA is concerned, if the parents refuse to be recruited, the children are not taken. Beatrice and Bertrand denied that their children were recruited, but they had no reason to kill their associates. |
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Post by You Look Lost on May 12, 2021 0:57:21 GMT -5
?well as reverse in book the in chapters the read not you should
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Post by El Juanico Diez on May 12, 2021 5:12:58 GMT -5
In fact, I really thought about starting with chapter 14 right after I read the text on the back of the book. But I changed my mind.
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Post by El Juanico Diez on May 12, 2021 7:00:29 GMT -5
Chapter 4
The scene in which the objects are shown to Ish and he suggests that everyone be removed from the community, along with the fact that everyone is given new clothes, it really looks like Ish has become the leader of a cult. Ish apparently believes that Peace should be worshiped, and his arguments really seem to indicate that he spent a lot of time thinking about what the best mechanisms for maintaining peace would be.
He, of course, is a hypocrite, as he establishes "laws" that he himself is not willing to follow. But I think he does believe that those laws, when followed by the majority, will lead the community to perpetual peace. Those who disagree with this are expelled, and the fear of expulsion along with a drug makes riots rare.
Avoiding the competitive spirit, avoiding access to science, fighting new ideas, and encouraging a simple and far from society life seems a lot like the philosophy adopted by some religious groups.(Oh, and Ish "proves" that he must have authority over the islanders by exhibiting some kind of supernatural power, in his case the power to predict the weather.)
TE seems to include a layer of criticism of this thought, as if Daniel Handler was saying: "Still, this peace does not last, both because of the hypocrisy of religious leaders and because of the human spirit that does not conform easily."
Friday is an interesting character in this context: she was born in that community and knows no other lifestyle than that. Still, she is dissatisfied and demonstrates this since she made her character debut, wearing sunglasses and handing Sunny a kitchen object.
I seriously hope she survived and known how society works off the island ... although I don't think she will be happy for long ...
An interesting detail: Beatrice was interested in magic tricks. Had she used that knowledge to do a trick and pretend to die herself?
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Post by R. on May 12, 2021 9:32:14 GMT -5
A recipe?
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Post by urban-letter-opener on May 12, 2021 9:55:32 GMT -5
I think Jean means "a plan" or "a plot", but he could tell you better than I could. |
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Post by El Juanico Diez on May 12, 2021 10:49:47 GMT -5
Leader of a religious cult. This is what I meant.
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Post by El Juanico Diez on May 15, 2021 7:12:08 GMT -5
Still talking about chapter 4:
If Lemony was shipwrecked and ended up stopping on the same island as the Baudelaires at some point, this look at the time Lemony was there was already inhabited by other inhabitants much more cool than at the time when Ish was there. According to Lemony, he was greeted with strawberries, chocolate and honeycombs. Perhaps that is why, according to TBBRE, Lemony says that there is a law on this island that prohibits removing apples from there. This law exists at the time that Lemony was on the island, (probably when he found the Baudelaires' writings) and then at that time there was already a very different system of laws. Prohibiting those apples would make sense, as they can cause abortive effects. And while Daniel Handler and Lisa Brown defend the right to abortion, in many countries it is still a crime.
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Post by El Juanico Diez on May 15, 2021 7:23:45 GMT -5
Chapter 5
At the beginning of chapter 5 Lemony makes it clear that one of the Baudelaire orphans could be the reader of that book, which was published years after the events described in it. This is strong evidence that Lemony believes that the Baudelaires may still be alive ... So the idea that Lemony was running away from Beatrice Jr for fear of being forced to charge that the Baudelaires were actually dead is unsupported . Lemony knows that they may be alive (and he knows that they may be dead). In other words, Lemony has no hard evidence to convince him either way.
"If you are a braeman or brae-woman—a term for someone who lives all alone on a hill—then peer pressure is fairly easy to avoid, as you have no peers except for the occasional your cave and try to pressure you into growing a woolly coat."
This sentence is a clear reference to TBL, which indicates that Lemony is in fact a Braeman, which indicates that the two anagrams formed by the letters are correct.
In TE, in chapter 5 we have proof of the incredible Sunny memory. I believe that Daniel Handler had to find somewhere to prove that Sunny had an incredible memory. Sunny managed to remember details of when she was only a few weeks old. We already had proof of Klaus' memory, and also of Violet's incredible memory, when she managed to remember details of when she was 2 years old. Delivering this ability to the Baudelaires was important, as they had to write details of their own history in the island book which Lemony would then find some time later and would serve as the basis for all 13 books published by Lemony, even those that Lemony wrote on the internet. security of your apartment (TBB, TRR and TWW)
I want to point out that Klaus, Sunny and Violet's conversation about Sunny's first swim is one of the private conversations that Lemony would not have access to just by searching the place. He had to read about this conversation in something that the Baudelaires wrote.
In fact, TE as a whole is proof that Lemony did not write her books for chasing the Baudelaires by recording their every step. Lemony was not on that island.
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