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Post by Lemona on Sept 12, 2022 14:51:50 GMT -5
I liked It's the Count
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Post by Terryo Spice Boi on Sept 12, 2022 17:47:06 GMT -5
bear: the show had terrible jokes and jim carrey acting like a dinosaur is top-tier comedy jean: 熊 pointed out facts, there's no way to disagree with him. |
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Post by Emma "Emmz" Squalor on Sept 12, 2022 20:05:09 GMT -5
I thought the show was good overall but could have done without the musical numbers.
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Post by Dante on Sept 12, 2022 21:35:00 GMT -5
Oh, speaking of one good thing about the show and that were good jokes, it was the openings for each set of episodes. I found it sensational. Does anyone have anything to say for or against this?
And the musical performances, can I at least defend the last song of the first season as being really good and really well placed and performed?
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Post by Tiran O'Saurus on Sept 13, 2022 6:52:16 GMT -5
Indeed, the Look Away serial killer board looked so cool. I liked seeing it assembled at the end of TPP.
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Post by Emma "Emmz" Squalor on Sept 13, 2022 9:10:45 GMT -5
Yeah, I liked No Happy Endings. But a lot of the songs just felt randomly placed and didn't really add anything.
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Post by Strangely on Sept 13, 2022 21:18:52 GMT -5
Yeah, I liked No Happy Endings. But a lot of the songs just felt randomly placed and didn't really add anything. Yeah, the show seems to have an identity crisis as to whether or not it's a musical and at times suffers for it. They probably would have been better off choosing one direction or the other. As much as I like each song it's fairly easy to say that several just don't fit quite right in the story. I think 'The Count' is the worst offender, I don't think it makes sense as a diegetic piece of music. For the most part the Bad Beginning is a very dark and depressing story and part one is supposed to be building to a confrontation that throws the Baudelaire's to a low point. But in the middle of this episode you have this upbeat, comedic musical number wedged between a heartwarming moment with Justice Strauss and then followed by child abuse during a drunken dinner. Too, the performance isn't really bad enough to paint Olaf as a terrible performer (especially since from the audience perspective it's supposed to be funny), so you're relying on the Baudelaire's and Snicket's reaction to tell you that it is supposed to be spectacularly bad in universe. I get that the scene is supposed to be clueing us in on Olaf's ambitions and self delusion (as well as introducing the troupe), but there was definitely more effective ways to do this (the film actually manages to convey this better). As the number exists now it's just sort of a weird musical interlude that clashes with everything around it. But this is sort of emblematic of the main issue with season one, mainly that's it's overly bloated with unnecessary material (the exposition at the beginning of TWW P2 is almost torturous). I think they learned their lesson though as season 2 generally did better with the music. For instance 'Chasing your Schemes' placement works as it fits the more wacky tone of that particular episode and the energy of the song matches what the Baudelaire's are doing. The Volunteers songs in THH also work pretty well (I think the song at the beginning works well as both a comedic moment, but also kind of creepy). I think 'Welcome to the House of Freaks' is a bit of misstep though. It's a good song with fun visuals, but I feel like it undercuts the misfortune the Baudelaire's are supposed to be experiencing performing in the freak show. I think the non-diegetic numbers work perfectly. 'That's not How the Story Goes' is a strong number both times it's used and I think how they use it in TPP is absolutely perfect. I'm a little sad that the 'Cliffhanger' number from the season 2 finale was cut. I think I would have preferred season 2 end on a non-diegetic song like season 1 did. |
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Post by Tiran O'Saurus on Sept 14, 2022 6:56:57 GMT -5
The Volunteers songs in THH also work pretty well (I think the song at the beginning works well as both a comedic moment, but also kind of creepy). That's because it is the only song also in the books. |
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Post by Emma "Emmz" Squalor on Sept 14, 2022 8:51:26 GMT -5
The Volunteers songs in THH also work pretty well (I think the song at the beginning works well as both a comedic moment, but also kind of creepy). That's because it is the only song also in the books. That's why I wasn't counting it. |
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Post by Strangely on Sept 14, 2022 10:33:17 GMT -5
The Volunteers songs in THH also work pretty well (I think the song at the beginning works well as both a comedic moment, but also kind of creepy). That's because it is the only song also in the books. The first one was, the one they sang while the hospital is burning is not from the book. Funnily enough, I actually didn't like the volunteers song when I read the book as a child. Honestly how they chose to handle it in the show made me actually appreciate it finally. |
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Post by Dante on Sept 14, 2022 12:59:47 GMT -5
Okay... So, let me talk about another good thing. In fact, let me talk about one specific person: Lucy Punch. I thought her characterization was great as well as her performance. I don't remember seeing Esme's face in illustrations in the book, but I think she was the best actress in the entire series. I think she was pretty funny without trying to be funny. I think the clothes she wore are one of the best residual memories I have of the show. Does anyone have anything to say for or against her?
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Post by S. on Sept 14, 2022 13:05:45 GMT -5
Okay... So, let me talk about another good thing. In fact, let me talk about one specific person: Lucy Punch. I thought her characterization was great as well as her performance. I don't remember seeing Esme's face in illustrations in the book, but I think she was the best actress in the entire series. I think she was pretty funny without trying to be funny. I think the clothes she wore are one of the best residual memories I have of the show. Does anyone have anything to say for or against her? Let's ask the president of the Esmè Fan club: R.. |
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Post by Terryo Spice Boi on Sept 14, 2022 13:23:22 GMT -5
Okay... So, let me talk about another good thing. In fact, let me talk about one specific person: Lucy Punch. I thought her characterization was great as well as her performance. I don't remember seeing Esme's face in illustrations in the book, but I think she was the best actress in the entire series. I think she was pretty funny without trying to be funny. I think the clothes she wore are one of the best residual memories I have of the show. Does anyone have anything to say for or against her? Lucy Punch stole the show for me, and is a happy exception to my otherwise tepid feelings for the show. I would agree with bear's thoughts on the aesthetic of the show, and the lack of gradually increasing chaos/mystery. I didn't find the humor nor NPH that bad, however. Of course I wouldn't have anything against a cast of better actors. Tbh, I'm kind of pissed Richard E. Grant had such a small role and wasn't Olaf instead, that would have been awesome. He's already halfway there in "Withnail & I". |
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Post by R. on Sept 14, 2022 15:11:18 GMT -5
Okay... So, let me talk about another good thing. In fact, let me talk about one specific person: Lucy Punch. I thought her characterization was great as well as her performance. I don't remember seeing Esme's face in illustrations in the book, but I think she was the best actress in the entire series. I think she was pretty funny without trying to be funny. I think the clothes she wore are one of the best residual memories I have of the show. Does anyone have anything to say for or against her? Let's ask the president of the Esmè Fan club: R.. I see book!Esmé and Netflix!Esmé as two very different characters, both with their strong points, and I can’t tell which one I like best. Character differences aside, Lucy Punch did a fabulous job at portraying the series’ interpretation of Esmé, and her performance is one of the main reasons I rewatch the series sometimes. I think the Netflix version of Esmé was much more unambiguously evil and had less sympathetic characteristics, fitting in with the more black-and-white morality of the show, but that isn’t to say I loved her any less. |
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Post by Dante on Sept 14, 2022 16:18:22 GMT -5
I would be happy to read something about your views on Esmé's morality in the books. Two years have passed since you entered here, and you have become a teenager. It would be interesting to understand your updated point of view on the appropriate board.
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