the dad is dead

[bererocks]

[glow=purple,2,300]on page 355 on the slippery slope it says:

and indeed; the grown men in the baudlelaires' lives who were dead, such as Jacques Snicket, or the cildren's father were never going to raise u that means that the baudlelairs father is dead maby the mother is alive wht do u guys think ti think she might be alive[/glow]

[Dante]

I never really took that as the objective statement it was said to be, more kinda looking at the world from the Baudelaires' perspective. But I don't think Snicket'll go back on it, regardless.

Uh, hm. I don't think we currently have a "which parent is alive and which is dead" thread, and since this mostly pertains to TSS I guess it belongs here, but if SnicketFires thinks it belongs best somewhere else, or I've forgotten another thread that overlaps, it might be moved.

I think both parents are dead, although I'm slightly less sure about the mother if she is Beatrice, which is a matter of contention (I'm not convinced personally, but that's a matter for the linked thread).

[Jacques the Environmentalist]

I've quoted that MANY times to emphasize that Jacques and Bertrand are indeed dead. I believe it's one of the few solid assurances snicket has seen fit to give us. Unfortunately it's also negative.

[spencar]

i think she is dead because no one could survive that fire and even if she did wouldn't she post up adds for the children because she is rich and all.

[RemainedOnShoals]

yes.the.dad.dead.
i.hope.that.mum.was.allive.

[descartes]

mynamesjacques said:

I've quoted that MANY times to emphasize that Jacques and Bertrand are indeed dead. I believe it's one of the few solid assurances snicket has seen fit to give us. Unfortunately it's also negative.

I have too; it was in my signature for a couple of months

spencar said:

i think she is dead because no one could survive that fire and even if she did wouldn't she post up adds for the children because she is rich and all.

But couldn't the mom have survived in the same way that Quigly did?

And she wouldn't have put up ads because she knew that the fire was no accident and that if people knew she was alive, then they would make more atempts to kill her.

[Semesther, the Dolphin Vampire]

I agree with you.

[snicketgal13]

Welll we know that the dad is dead.... but is the mom? Like wouldn't it say she was dead like it did the dad... I dont know. It leaves open a mystery.
My bet is that she is dead becuz how would she survive the fire... . but just thinking now,
she may not be, she could of went into hiding somewhere, knowing the Olaf was out to get her, but wouldnt come out of hiding till knowing he was captured, therefore she wouldnt contact her children, to put her life and their lives at risk.
I dont know, it's just a theory.

[lilmof3]

Well I have a feeling that both parents are dead. I also believe Beatrice is Mrs. Baudelaire. Here is my evidence:
"Ah," Jerome said, "you're adventurous! Your mother was adventurous too. [Mrs. Baudelaire] You know, she and I were very good friends a ways back. We hiked up Mount Fraught with some friends- gosh it must have been twenty years ago. Mt Fraught was kown for having dangerous animals on it, but your mohter wasn't afraid. But then, swooping out of the sky-" The Ersatz Elevator, page 27

By itself, this passage doesn't seem important, but when linked to this one...

"I have seen many amazing things in my long and troubled life history. I have seen a series of corridors built entirely out of human skulls. I have seen a volcano erupt and send a wall of lava crawling toward a small village. I have seen a a woman I loved picked up by an enormous eagle and flown to its high mountain nest." The Wide Window, pg 126

You make the connection, but obviously Lemony Snicket loved Beatrice.

Even more evidense: Klaus says to Aunt Josephine in The Wide Window that his mother could whistle with crackers in her mouth, and her special was Mozart's Fourteenth Symphony. Take a look at this quote:

"But the most dispiriting replacement is that of the lead actress. My faithful readers will realize that I am somewhat prejudiced in this case, as I am engaged to be married to the original actress, but last night's performance by Emse (?- her last name was smudged in the program) was simply dreadful. She cannot act. She cannot sing. And she cannot whistle Mozart's fourteenth symphony, as the play -the original play, that is- requires." Lemony Snicket's Unauthorized Autobiography" page 79

Also, in The Hostile Hospital One of the names found on the list is Carrie E. Abelabudite. If you rearrange the letters you get Beatrice Baudelaire. The Hostile Hospital, pg 158

[Dante]

lilmof3 said:

Well I have a feeling that both parents are dead. I also believe Beatrice is Mrs. Baudelaire.

I should note that this is practically outright stated by The Beatrice Letters and The End, and is accepted as canon.

Even more evidense: Klaus says to Aunt Josephine in The Wide Window that his mother could whistle with crackers in her mouth, and her special was Mozart's Fourteenth Symphony. Take a look at this quote:

"But the most dispiriting replacement is that of the lead actress. My faithful readers will realize that I am somewhat prejudiced in this case, as I am engaged to be married to the original actress, but last night's performance by Emse (?- her last name was smudged in the program) was simply dreadful. She cannot act. She cannot sing. And she cannot whistle Mozart's fourteenth symphony, as the play -the original play, that is- requires." Lemony Snicket's Unauthorized Autobiography" page 79

Also, in The Hostile Hospital One of the names found on the list is Carrie E. Abelabudite. If you rearrange the letters you get Beatrice Baudelaire. The Hostile Hospital, pg 158

Interestingly, both these pieces of evidence were considered questionable for quite some time because both pieces are placed near occurrences of the name "Ned H. Rirger" - an anagram of "red herring." In the first example, the play was performed at the Ned H. Rirger theatre; in the second, Ned H. Rirger was another name on the list of patients. My theory is that Daniel Handler originally intended Beatrice to be the Baudelaire mother, changed his mind as the series became more complex, but later changed back to his original plan, but it's possible that the red herrings were themselves red herrings.

[Very Funky Disco]

My theory is that both Baudelaire parents are dead. We now know that Beatrice Baudelaire is Lemony Snicket's old flame - and, after ten years, if Beatrice still hasn't turned up...

[Jacob]

BOth Baudelaire parents are dead. it is just showing that the men were all dead. If it had been women it would have included the mother, I think.

[jster]

lol. you guys are getting it wrong. the baudelaires parents are both dead. none of them is still alive!!

[Kount Kelsey]

no one survivied tghat fire both parents are dead

[zincroththewise]

The Mother and the Father are dead i Agree. The Beatrice letters only confirm this. There is only one Beatrice alive and that is the nice. When they see page 13 of the snicket files the one that could be alive is Lemony who is the one looking away.