OFFICIAL BOOK TWELVE DICUSSION THREAD.

[kunu]

"Good-bye," she said, and the Baudelaire opened her mouth and bith the hand of justice. With a cry of pain and frustration, Justice Strauss let go of the figure head, and the building trembled again, sending the judge tumbling to the ground, and the boat tumbling off the roof, just as the clock of the Hotel Denouement announecd for the very las time.
Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!


Okay, first, TOPPLING was used to open the VFD, and, if I'm not mistaken, wasn't a rumoured title The Toppling Towers? Or TUMBLING, used often in TPP, and another rumoured title was The Tumbling Towers. The Tower part might refer to the Hotel, but there is another theory.

The wrong of the clock had been used literally in the book before, and literall things are in this book, too. When it says ....announced for the very last time...and the clock goes wrong, the word wrong might've have been used literally, so that statement might've been wrong. I also believe the clock doing the wrong thing when the book said that the orphans were going to do something for the last time. So, the Denoument might be alive.


Oh, and yes, the water tower in the last picture might refer to The Toppling and Tumbling Tower., so that might be B13....

[whoopi]

One thing I don't get is that why was Quigley the only real volunteer in the sky, why were Kit and Widdershins the only at sea, and The Baudelaires the only main "flaneurs" on earth? Sure, you could count J.S. and J.S. but Kit, the supposedly big person over here, has no clue who they are, and assigns only the Bauds to check it out. If Kit is able to communicate with Quigley somehow, then why wouldn't she even know about this? No other volunteer is really doing anything at the hotel, and you would think that they would be stopping anything from happening. Also, why would every- every live person from the Bauds past be back if the entire thing was not about them specifically and not just to nail Olaf and Gang? Plus, the only useful volunteer, Dewey, was killed (although I have my strong strong suspicions he'll be back) by guess who? The Baudelaires. Either Handler is a terrible author who has only a limited imagination where he can only think of certain amount of characters and have everything only tied in with them (another example being the two other judges being the last new sinister duo we saw, although there are supposedly many more evil people out there which we haven't met, nor will we ever) or the series will end with this entire thing actually having directly to do with the Bauds (like everything being a test or experiment to see what would happen to them).
Take your pick. Anyway, my head really hurts now and I probably need an Advil after all this. Thank you for your time and suffering.
P.S. My question earlier of how they would row away with spatula oars that have holes in them (as seen in the pictures in the book) was never answered, but like everything in this series it's one of the many things that don't make sense and will never be answered.

[karol1096]

i bleive that lemony IS the man in the taxi bcuz he knows a lot of infor about him and he will make an apeareane in b13...in my head i alwasy believed that lemony would met the bnaulaires sometime...B13!

[Sora]

I despise my mother and sister.

They will not let me read the book, until my sister has finished with it. They say, because I went to the movies, Starr got the book. Go figure.
I at least got till Chapter 6 before it was cruelfully taken away.

[VioletsBigSis]

OK, here's a crazy theory. (And not just 'cuz of my posting name)

There are four Baudelaire children.

The mirror writing discusses a previously unknown sibling. Sunny joins her "sisters" and four children will be notified on a beach.

Is there a fourth sibling that was kept away... in hiding?

Sombody prove that this can't be true.... PLEASE! *g*

[Sora]

This is impossible. The four children mentioned, were far away, and refered to as 'another set of four children'. Lemony has NOT ONCE, mentioned any other siblings. Sisters was more likely a typo, then an allusion to another book. As for the mirror writing, I'm sure they were refering to someone in the Snicket family tree. Not the Baudelaires.

[Eye Of The Count]

did he mean sister's

[Sora]

No, as a object the sister possesed is not mentioned after the typo.

[doom]

Lemony wouldn't need to be the taxi driver to know so much about him. He's dedicated his life to researching the Baudelaires, and he could have researched this man.

I believe the "previously unknown sibling" was referring to Dewey.

[callum]

yes i pretty sure it's dewey

when i read that i thought duncan and isadora would discover quigly

[lauren]

Not on the topic of the 4 siblings...but the sebald code...was the one on pg 67 the only one in the book???

and also does anyone else think there is something suspicious about Sir's fondness of the smell of hot wood?

[MikeT]

^ Well, he does work in a lumbermill. And like Charles said, he was on a (cannot remember the word) holiday.

Where he does his profession on his holiday.

[callum]

hmmmm... i never made the connection probably just cos he works at the mill though i did love that line

edit... oops mikeT beat me there

[beatriceblake]

From the spoiler thread- there was a discussion about who migt/might not have survived the fire. I don't think we should assume Esme and Carmelita are dead just because Lemony says the Baudelaires never argued with them again. Esme was only following them because Olaf was. She is more interested in the sugar bowl than the fortune. However I think it is very unlikely Justice Strauss survived, since she was at the very top of the building and the smoke would have scared the Quagmires and Hector from landing (if of course they survived).

[Antenora]

I agree; Justice Strauss is most likely dead. The fact that the Baudelaires never argued with Esme or Carmelita implies that they never saw them again, as they'd end up arguing with them just about whenever they saw them.

lauren said:

Not on the topic of the 4 siblings...but the sebald code...was the one on pg 67 the only one in the book???

I'm pretty sure it is, yes.

I doubt there's a fourth Baudelaire sibling, as it's too late in the series for such a twist. If there was, he or she would have to have disappeared before the series started, and probably before Violet and Klaus were born.