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Post by Sugary Snicket on Dec 4, 2005 9:26:02 GMT -5
Wow, that's some good research hanna. And helpful, too.
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Post by champ103 on Dec 4, 2005 9:40:29 GMT -5
...isn't Olaf's license plate 'I H8 ORFNS', but then he is one himself?
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Post by Antenora on Dec 4, 2005 10:30:29 GMT -5
Interesting observation; Brett probably didn't know that Olaf was an orphan when he drew that picture. I wonder when Handler even decided that Olaf's parents had been killed.
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Post by Dante on Dec 4, 2005 10:38:23 GMT -5
Maybe he's just taking his bitterness at being an orphan, and projecting it onto other orphans. They're reminders of the tragedy in his past.
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Post by Sugary Snicket on Dec 5, 2005 15:55:19 GMT -5
In other words, he's fighting fire with fire.
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Post by Summer Wind on Dec 10, 2005 12:36:43 GMT -5
but still Olaf's being bitter because his parent are dead, hopefully, The Baudelaires won't turn out that way,
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Post by Sugary Snicket on Dec 10, 2005 13:31:40 GMT -5
Hello. Welcome to 667. I haven't seen U around before.
We're not sure how the Baudelaires will turn out. Lord knows they've seen more than their fair share of gore, misery, and woe. That's enough to make anyone go off the deep end. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they went crazy at the end of the series. But then again, they seem to be taking it surprisingly well for three kids who have seen two people get ripped to shreds by underfed, angry lions.
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Post by Summer Wind on Dec 18, 2005 11:18:07 GMT -5
Really, they've been through alot, and really a normal child (no offence to the Baudelaires) would be like a serial killer after everything the Baudelaires have seen. Why? In my opinion, it's because they had each other and where taught a good sense of morality.
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Post by jtb2 on Dec 18, 2005 17:24:21 GMT -5
Yeah, Olaf is just taking out his anger on the children (orphans *cough*) of the woman who made him an orphan. If Beatrice is is the Baudilaires mother, then it would explain the reason Esme said: "..the way Beatrice stole from me!" The stolen things are Olaf's happiness and the Sugar Bowl.
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Post by Sugary Snicket on Dec 21, 2005 12:39:03 GMT -5
But wouldn't Esme have to had known Olaf as a child for that to be? The sugarbowl thing, everyone's got that. But in order for Esme to know about Olaf's mysterious past, She'd at least have had to be friends with him as a child.
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Post by Dante on Dec 21, 2005 12:42:15 GMT -5
Esmé was around the night Olaf's parents were apparently murdered - Kit Snicket said she had to smuggle the poison darts to the Baudelaire parents before Esmé Squalor could catch her. And I continue to maintain that Olaf needn't have been a child when all this happened (and indeed, the whole story makes much more sense if the Baudelaire children are already around). I think Esmé was just referring to the sugar bowl, though.
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Dec 21, 2005 22:15:10 GMT -5
Lots of Villains do do that: they hate what they themselves are. Like Hitler advocating German supremacy when he wasn't a German etc... Yes it would appear that Olaf's fighting with fire. I agree that it WOULD make more sense if the baudelaire children were alive when that opera happened, but I've reread that part a lot and it does not SAY that the children were born when their parents attended that opera, but it would seem that they were since they remember so much about it and since the parents, snicket siblings, and Esme were old enough to be running around operas and they're the next generation up. *shrug* It could've happened just before the picture in the Snicket File: just before lemony started covering his face.
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Post by The World Is Quiet Here on Dec 22, 2005 22:13:05 GMT -5
For the Baud parents to kill their relations, Olafs parents, they must have been on the other side of the schism and been bad as by all accounts the Baud parents are very noble people. Therefore Olaf was probably already bad and the death of his parents didn't tip him over the edge. (My reasoning: If he was good and they bad, he wouldn't just upon their death turn his back on what he has always stood for if he didn't when they were alive [if that makes any sense])
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Post by js927 on Dec 22, 2005 22:21:41 GMT -5
Beatrice couldn't have been the Baudelaire mother because:
On pg. 221 When everybody is talking about the sugerbowl Esme says "....Beatrice stole it from ME!".
If in fact Beatrice was the childrens mother then they would have:
A.) Been surprised B.) Asked more questions and C.) Tried to contradict Esme saying something along the lines of "Our mother would never steal something!"
So I do not believe that Beatrice is their mother
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Post by Sugary Snicket on Dec 23, 2005 10:21:24 GMT -5
That makes some good sense.....
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