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Post by Sugary Snicket on Jul 1, 2006 14:12:07 GMT -5
I'm sort of skeptical with the whole idea of The Baudelaires and Olaf meeting up with the Female Finnish Pirates. There weren't movie theaters in Pirating days, nor were there any tools that Violet might use when inventing something. I do agree, piracy does still happen, but more so in the form of illegal copying or smuggling than stealing treasure and plundering towns. I think that, from what Lemony has written in the TBB:TRE notes, he means the latter form of pirate - the kind we see in Treasure Island, and more recently, in Pirates of the Carribean. (Although I highly doubt that THIS version of the FFP were undead skeletons.) I am more to the idea of the Forbidden fruit referance. there ARE apples on the cover, right? And (correct me if I'm wrong), wasn't it an APPLE Eve picked off the tree in Eden? So, maybe there are apple groves there, or Handler could totally throw us for a loop and say that the actual VFD headquarters is on this island - or something to that effect. Maybe the apples are poisonous, and Olaf, or one of the Baudelaires, mistakenly picks and eats one? (reminiscent of Snow White) This brings to mind other interesting plots.... hmmm....
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Post by Antenora on Jul 1, 2006 15:06:24 GMT -5
I'm sort of skeptical with the whole idea of The Baudelaires and Olaf meeting up with the Female Finnish Pirates. There weren't movie theaters in Pirating days, nor were there any tools that Violet might use when inventing something. I do agree, piracy does still happen, but more so in the form of illegal copying or smuggling than stealing treasure and plundering towns. Well, the ASoUE universe is already quite anachronistic, so pirates could easily coexist with movie theaters, as do motorcycles with horse-drawn carriages, and "advanced" computers with archaic fashions. Small towns may not burn miscreants at the stake anymore, but that sort of thing still happens. Applying such logic to the ASoUE world doesn't really work. As for the apple thing-- I understand that the Bible doesn't specify that the fruit was an apple, although it's commonly assumed to be one. However, I doubt Handler will work in any really obvious heavy-handed Bible references, as it'd seem preachy. But it might be quite interesting if he alluded to the Bible as a work of literature. |
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Post by s on Jul 1, 2006 17:41:31 GMT -5
I can't imagine Handler would be preachily biblical, considering the fact that he isn't even a Christian. And yeah. The entire series is very anachronistic; he needn't change that for book thirteen.
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Post by SnicketFires on Jul 1, 2006 20:55:45 GMT -5
Last year in English, we read (parts of) the Bible as a work of literature, because I don't think we could read it as a religious work. Handler's Jewish. The Torah contains Genesis (although by a different name) which contains the story of the forbidden fruit, would it not? ( Judaism completely rejects the doctrine of original sin.). My mother says that the Genesises should be the same. So it's not like Handler couldn't slip it in if he wanted to, but I doubt he'd be preachy. (All my knowledge of Judiasm comes from this site. I could be wrong.) |
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Post by PJ on Jul 1, 2006 21:08:57 GMT -5
I doubt he'd make it preachy, he'd just make an interesting comparison, or something.
"snake infested garden", and all that.
And I think it's the traditional pirates, not the modern ones.
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Post by Phoebonica on Jul 2, 2006 10:33:02 GMT -5
Maybe the forbidden fruit thing will be connected to whatever started the schism, ie. the "fall" of VFD. And on the "Snake-infested garden" theme, isn't one of the reptiles supposed to be coming back?
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Post by Dante on Jul 2, 2006 10:58:08 GMT -5
It seems so, unless Handler wrote it out since October 24th: " Book thirteen marks the return of a reptile previously gone missing." Almost certainly the Incredibly Deadly Viper, given that it's the only one that really mattered in TRR and given various allusions to it in the U.A., although none of the reptiles are particularly of the tempting-into-sin sort. Might be an inversion or twist on the Genesis story, though, if that is present in some form. |
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Post by PJ on Jul 3, 2006 7:13:14 GMT -5
Yeah, I can see the Baudelaires being hungry, and the snake leading them to an apple tree, and they would debate whether or not they should steal the apples, or something.
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Post by s on Jul 3, 2006 8:15:39 GMT -5
Oh, that would be terrible. I hope that doesn't happen. I would expect better of Handler than a crappy Genesis re-enactment by the Baudelaires.
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Post by PJ on Jul 3, 2006 8:24:47 GMT -5
Oh, that would be terrible. I hope that doesn't happen. I would expect better of Handler than a crappy Genesis re-enactment by the Baudelaires. Crappy? Rule one, Setnick: NOTHING HANDLER DOES IS EVER CRAPPY. Seriously, I wouldn't mind if The End was written as an action-movie script, cos I know Handler would make it brilliant, somehow. |
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Post by s on Jul 3, 2006 8:27:54 GMT -5
I suppose.
I'm finding it rather difficult to envision a non-crappy pseudo-Garden-of-Eden experience by the Bauds, though.
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Post by PJ on Jul 3, 2006 9:05:00 GMT -5
I suppose. I'm finding it rather difficult to envision a non-crappy pseudo-Garden-of-Eden experience by the Bauds, though. Blasphemy! We shall see... |
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Post by Dear Dairy on Jul 7, 2006 23:20:09 GMT -5
I just ran across something interesting. Amid all the talk of apples and TBB:RE, I re-read the part about songs that Lemony was able to play on the accordion. One of these was called "Place Daturas on My Grave." Daturas? What the . . .? So I Googled daturas and found that they are trumpet-shaped flowers that produce a spiky seed, and they are also called "The Devil's Apple" (among other common names). Remind anyone of the "Devil's Tongue"? Or perhaps the forbidden apples? Also, according to a note in TBB:RE, " The Victorian art of flower arranging is a coded system in which each flower in an arrangement conveys a certain message." The datura flower means "I dream of thee." Come to find out, datura seeds contain a hallucinogen that produces erotic dreams.
This probably has no connection to the FFP or the island of forbidden fruit, but I thought it was interesting, anyway.
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Post by Dante on Jul 8, 2006 2:37:10 GMT -5
Personally, I'm all for anything which ties the BBRE notes into the main series; TGG and TPP did this at times (and The End almost certainly will), but there's still a lot which doesn't look like it'll get the chance to take a full bow. It's interesting, anyway, even if it doesn't get a mention.
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Jul 16, 2006 20:19:15 GMT -5
Handler already did talk about the Bible in one of the books, I forget which one though. It went something like "If you ever find yourself reading a book entitled the bible you will read about a couple who put on clothes for the first time in order to escape the snake infested garden in which they were living."
I'm still saying FFP stands for female finnish pirates but I fail to understand why the fruit law and the whole 'forbidden fruit' concept is so important.
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