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Post by Sugary Snicket on Oct 13, 2006 21:11:44 GMT -5
I haaaaave it....  But I'm not done with it yet. I have TBL, too - got them both at once at a party they had tonight. |
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Post by superorange on Oct 13, 2006 21:17:46 GMT -5
Does anyone think, that Olaf changed a lot towards the end of the series. Like, when he handed the harpoon gun to Violet when he could have easily shot her, and how he helped Kit (who he loved I guess but still) and doing so did one last noble deed before he died. I don't know if he survived, he would be a better person but Kit's death might have changed him, and he might have cared for little Bea like a father would. Edit: The Baudelaire's cared for Bea like parents would, so I guess she took up the name. It makes sense. Edit again: Fiona, Fernald, Friday. Hmm. Um, read the book again. It's quite clear he did NOT survive. Also, it would appear that Kerri's page from the book was false, unless I'm missing something.  |
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Post by dirkamoeba on Oct 13, 2006 21:24:18 GMT -5
This book resolved very little. And that's why I LOVE it.
I am something of an author myself, and it always annoys me when fans are upset about a final book/episode/film answering too few questions. The authors have a story they wish to tell, and pandering to the fans would just cheapen the story.
What if Hector and the Quags had appeared, or we received concrete evidence of the fate of the islanders or hotel guests? What if we got the answer to the mysteries? It wouldn't be a "better" book, it would be a "different" book. Because the fact that the Bauds don't get all the answers-- that's what this book was about! Lemony's been saying all along that he isn't sure of everything.
Anyhow, the timeline is starting to fit together a bit. based on this book and TBL.
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Post by Orangey Snicket on Oct 13, 2006 21:29:37 GMT -5
Yeah, it leaves a lot to be interpreted and in that way, the series will never end. Which is comforting.
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Post by Alice Wilde on Oct 13, 2006 21:30:55 GMT -5
WHAT HAPPENED TO ERNEST AND FRANK AND Sir and Charles (are they gay or not?) and Esme and Carmelita and Nero and Mr. Remora and Mrs. Bass?  ?? Arggghhh I need to know. I'm gonna do a fanfic on that to and make it what I believe.... *snarl* I believe that Sir and Charles are gay. C.'s love for S. and all that. Which, I must say, is lovely and awesome. Oh, and who burned down the Baud's mansion? If Olaf didn't then who did? Lemony. Or one of the sinister duo. Is Mr. Poe one of Olaf's henchmen? I would say that Poe is also a homosexual and has feelings for Olaf, so that's why he's been helping him, but am going to refrain from doing so because...well, it's probably not true. Still. Yes, Poe was probably a henchman or perhaps an ex-henchman. But, whoa...The End was everything I thought it wouldn't be. For some reason, it has brought a sick kind of hopefulness to my life. I can't recall ever feeling the way I do now. I think...it's closure. This book has brought me closure. Despite the mysteries that can't be answered, he summed it up very nicely. I...I'm actually sort of speechless at the moment. |
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Post by thirteen on Oct 13, 2006 21:32:28 GMT -5
I just finished it.
I agree about the 1st half, it wasn't that interesting and it seemed like Lemony lacked that humor he has throughout his books.
I hate all these questions.
The Quagmires.
I want to know what happened to them...
ahhhh.
it seems like we've waited the whole series for all these questions to be answered, and yet none of them have.
Oh, and whoever said that thing about the satanic symbolism... wow.
So true.
I saw a connection between the apple and Eve, like that's what I thought of.. but I didn't even think of the "serpent" thing. Good one!
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Post by thesinistersnicket on Oct 13, 2006 21:50:40 GMT -5
Does anyone think, that Olaf changed a lot towards the end of the series. Like, when he handed the harpoon gun to Violet when he could have easily shot her, and how he helped Kit (who he loved I guess but still) and doing so did one last noble deed before he died. I don't know if he survived, he would be a better person but Kit's death might have changed him, and he might have cared for little Bea like a father would. Edit: The Baudelaire's cared for Bea like parents would, so I guess she took up the name. It makes sense. Edit again: Fiona, Fernald, Friday. Hmm. Um, read the book again. It's quite clear he did NOT survive. What I meant was, if he survived he may have been a better person due to Kit's death. Read my message again.  |
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Post by Nicky on Oct 13, 2006 21:57:36 GMT -5
I just finished it like 2 hours ago. It's very well written but rather dull in the beginning. Definitley the best book in the series. But I wish we learned more about the sugarbowl and the Quagmires. I also really want to know who burned down the Baudelaire's mansion if not Olaf. The fourteenth chapter was a nice touch. And something that really got me thinking "WHAT?" was the Kit/Olaf thing. All in all, a really good book.
EDIT: I didn't like how the whole thing took place at that nameless island and how Ishmael lived. I wonder what that ?-Mark was.
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Post by Dear Dairy on Oct 13, 2006 22:02:09 GMT -5
I have to disagree, thirteen. I laughed just as much during this book as any of the others. ("Why won't they call me Ish?") And I wept a great deal more than with any other book. My reaction is much like the character Fennyman in Shakespeare in Love who, in reaction to the synopsis of Romeo and Juliet, says, "Sad --- and wonderful."
As for those who wished for more of the Quagmires, I sympathize. However, keep in mind: This is not their story.
Olaf/Kit?! My first reaction was, "What the hey?" But now I'm thinking: Olaf/Kit = Lemony/Beatrice.
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Post by superorange on Oct 13, 2006 22:02:24 GMT -5
Um, read the book again. It's quite clear he did NOT survive. What I meant was, if he survived he may have been a better person due to Kit's death. Read my message again. That wasn't clear in your message at all. |
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Post by ink on Oct 13, 2006 22:04:47 GMT -5
One revelation of The End that I do not think has been mentioned yet is the fact that we now know Lemony Snicket to be the survivor of the fire discussed on pg. 9 of the Snicket File, although I think that many people had already speculated this. The fact that Snicket is thought to be dead plus that the Baudelaire parents are verified to be dead clarifies this.
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Post by drearydreary on Oct 13, 2006 22:17:14 GMT -5
For those wondering what the "?" is, well its a metaphor used to symbolise that some mysteries will never get solved. Its a theme of the book.
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Post by Hanae on Oct 13, 2006 22:18:56 GMT -5
If the sugar bowl contained horseradish, then Beatrice may have stole it from Esme to use in the Aboretum(spelling?). EDIT: WHEN DID WE GET KARMA BACK?!?!  |
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Post by ishmael123 on Oct 13, 2006 22:25:18 GMT -5
maybe i misunderstood but does this make sense to anyone? page 309 kit tells the bauds to name the baby after one of their parents,hence the babies name is beatrice.maybe this explains something with lemony also.
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Post by electricsweat on Oct 13, 2006 22:31:07 GMT -5
In a way Watch Your Mouth had a very similar ending, however I was totally frustrated when finished with Watch Your Mouth, whereas with The End I'm completely satisfied for some reason. I don't even need to know any more. Normally I hate vague endings, but this was awesome.
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