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Post by soufflé on Sept 3, 2011 18:57:30 GMT -5
There will probably be more info on the sugar bowl in the next series. At least I hope so.
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Post by Dante on Sept 4, 2011 5:08:05 GMT -5
Some of the last information we got on the new series was that it might be a prequel (or at least, set earlier than ASoUE). If that's the case, it might explore the circumstances in which the sugar bowl becomes a container for a secret, even if it's closed rather than opened. Although I personally am preparing myself for the new series to not concern itself much with the old one; if any links to ASoUE do appear, therefore, it'll be a kind of added bonus.
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Post by Vanja on Sept 21, 2011 15:40:31 GMT -5
If anyone's still discussing the contents of the Sugar Bowl.
Personally I think it could be likely that the sugar bowl either contains a murder weapon or similar evidence against someone in the organization, whether it's against someone in the firestarting or firestopping, I'm not too picky, both have done some fairly vicious things. I've always found it rather convincing having the poison darts in there. Seeing as a reference from TPP mentioning Beatrice and Bertrand trying to capture a box of poison darts before Esmé could get to them.
As I said in an earlier thread.
If the poison darts were used by Esmé to kill Olafs parents at that particular night, she must've gotten her hands on them, then hid them in a particular Sugar Bowl, which Beatrice or Lemony later stole from her. Lemony was framed for the murder of Olafs parent, Beatrice might've not realized the box of darts actually ended up in Esmé's possesion and believed Lemony actually murdered them, then broke off the engagement and later married someone she already was a close friend of (Bertrand), later, some time after the two got married, Lemony convinced Beatrice to help him steal the evidence from Esmé, then after that the sugar bowl's been travelling. Edit the thing about the schism out of it, because Olaf's parents died much later. It might've been a cause of a much greater gap between the two sides then was before. The fact Olaf's chasing after it, might be because he thinks it's a evidence against Lemony, but the fire-starting side knows it's a evidence to clear Lemony and incriminate Esmé.
Another theory is that the sugar bowl contains the second piece of the meeting, formerly contained in a Ivan Lachrymose book.
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Post by csc on Sept 21, 2011 17:25:12 GMT -5
I desperatly need to re-read the series. Seeing you comment here, I get a new perspective. I think I've changed a lot over the past year and when I read the series I didn't really understand them. I was thinking "yippy, adventure!" and the plot and the deaths and relationships just passed me by, only now I realize that.
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Post by Dante on Sept 22, 2011 3:14:41 GMT -5
That sounds like exactly the time to reread, then - when you know you've missed things but think you can now give them your proper attention.
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Post by Hermes on Sept 22, 2011 7:55:16 GMT -5
Oh, I really like the 'second half of the meeting' theory!
As for the poison darts, is it possible that it was Esme whon used them? Olaf seems to think it was B and B, since he says 'why don't you ask about your parents and a packet of poison darts?', and if I remember rightly this is confirmed by Dewey looking embarrassed when they are mentioned. But could this be explained by a misunderstanding (of which the world of ASOUE is full)?
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Post by Dante on Sept 22, 2011 8:19:54 GMT -5
Early on in TPP, Kit says she slipped the box of poison darts to Bertrand and Beatrice before Esmé could catch her. This seems to suggest that Esmé wanted to get her hands on the darts, but that could just as easily be to prevent them from being used as to use them herself - or many other variations. TPP is definitely suggesting that the Baudelaire parents used the poison darts to murder Olaf's, though. Is that what really happened? It's up to you to decide that.
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Post by Christmas Chief on Sept 22, 2011 15:49:38 GMT -5
I've read that line to mean Kit wanted to get the darts to the Baudelaire parents before Esmé could catch her in the act (rather than literally capturing Kit herself). Is there evidence Esmé wanted the darts, though? Dewey does seem to agree it was Beatrice and Bertrand who committed the crime, and I think, by ASOUE standards, he's arguably the most knowledgeable in the series in V.F.D. given his research for and of his underwater catalog.
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Post by B. on Oct 6, 2011 15:24:47 GMT -5
Now according to wikipedia it is believed that the sugar bowl contains a cure for the medusiod mycelium, but this is already known (horseradish, wasabi). It undoubtedly contains very important info that both sides of VFD are looking for. And it also has a tight-fitting lid- to protect those important documents perhaps?
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Post by Dante on Oct 7, 2011 2:37:11 GMT -5
Wikipedia's just talking blind speculation there; there's no logic under which a cure for the Medusoid Mycelium would make sense as the sugar bowl's contents (if you see it again, I advise you to edit out that part). I think any lid would need to be tight-fitting for the sugar bowl given the places it's been - swirling through ocean currents, carried by crows through the sky, dropped into lakes. If the lid wasn't tight-fitting, it wouldn't matter what was inside; the contents would've spilled out long ago. And V.F.D. were probably always aware that their secret-carrying sugar bowls would need to be secure.
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Post by B. on Oct 8, 2011 5:28:44 GMT -5
I believe that THE sugar bowl is not the only Sugar bowl VFD ever used.
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Post by jman on Feb 18, 2012 22:16:46 GMT -5
I agree with Brunch. In TUA in particular, there is mention of various sugar bowls in different places. My guess is that sugar bowls were a standard tool used by VFD. The one the Baudelaires are chasing is so important because of what is inside that particular sugar bowl.
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Post by B. on Feb 19, 2012 5:57:44 GMT -5
Visit unfortunateevents.com, a website dedicated entirely to the series. There there is a section called "Enquiring Enquires" and it seemed a few years back Handler (as Snicket's representative) would answer a question submitted by one person. One month the following question was asked, by a girl calling herself Lucy: Why is the sugar bowl so important?By Lucy Which received the answer from Handler: A sugar bowl may be important for many reasons. For example, one might use it to secrete a tiny document concerning the nature of VFD, or one might use it as a receptacle for sweetener, or possibly even keep small red fish in it.
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Post by jman on Feb 19, 2012 13:48:21 GMT -5
Huh, that's interesting. Maybe the new series will give us some more insight.
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Post by Christmas Chief on Feb 19, 2012 17:15:10 GMT -5
We can't put too much stock in the Enquiring Enquiries; note the "small print," located in the lower right hand corner of the window: "As some readers may know, Lemony Snicket’s diary can sometimes be suspiciously full and is certainly always fully suspicious. Please note with due caution that, when Mr. Snicket is not available at a moment’s notice, enquiring enquiries may be answered by a faceless person behind a desk in west London. "
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