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Post by Sugary Snicket on Oct 16, 2005 16:18:06 GMT -5
How unfortunate that would be.
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Post by Dante on Oct 16, 2005 16:29:30 GMT -5
That would be a very frustrating solution to one of the biggest mysteries of the series. That's probably why I don't remember anyone suggesting it before.
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Post by Antenora on Oct 16, 2005 16:32:13 GMT -5
The problem with having a huge mystery like the sugar bowl turn out to be absolutely nothing is that Handler would lose the trust of his readers, and the series would be a flop, overall, forgotten to future generations.
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Post by Dante on Oct 16, 2005 16:34:29 GMT -5
I hope you're reading this, Mr. Handler. Tread carefully.
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Post by Sugary Snicket on Oct 16, 2005 16:40:38 GMT -5
The walls have eyes and ears......
Here's a theory I wrote up earlier: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Post by whoopi on Oct 16, 2005 18:18:45 GMT -5
Inside the sugar bowl is a red herring!
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Post by Ron Weasley on Oct 16, 2005 18:26:17 GMT -5
[glow=orange,2,300]Commenting on the theory: Maybe the Quagmire parents are alive instead of the Baudelaire's and adopt the Baudelaire orphans.[/glow]
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Post by Antenora on Oct 16, 2005 18:32:15 GMT -5
That's an interesting possibility, and I don't think it can be entirely ruled out. Quigley said that he heard his mother telling him to wait in the passageway, but neither of the parents were seen after that. If they're alive, they might be at the hotel, having moved from sanctuary to sanctuary for some time.
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Post by SpazzMouse on Nov 2, 2005 21:35:28 GMT -5
"And you know," she said in a terrible voice, "that it is mine." "Not anymore," Dewey said. "Beatrice stole it from me!" Esme cried.
On pages 220-221 of The Penultimate Peril, there is a very vital sugar bowl conversation. Esme states that: - Whatever was inside of the sugar bowl caused many people to loose their lives.
- It is extremely important to the Baudelaires and the Snickets.
- Beatrice stole it from Esme.
My thoughts are that the sugar bowl is important to the schism. There is something inside that would help defeat either the volunteers or the villains. This is why it is important for both sides to obtain it.
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Post by Dante on Nov 3, 2005 5:23:30 GMT -5
I think when Esmé said that Beatrice stole it from her, she was referring to the sugar bowl itself, rather than its contents (as we've already inferred from other books that Lemony stole the sugar bowl from Esmé, but that Esmé believes Beatrice did it). In that sense, it makes the conversation rather ambiguous, aside from point number 2. The contents of the sugar bowl being something which explains the schism makes sense, although I wonder if that was perhaps too long ago.
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Post by champ103 on Nov 3, 2005 5:29:04 GMT -5
It's an optional disguise, stated in LSUA. I don't have it with me so I don't have a page, but it's on the list of everything in the disguise kit. Does that mean there's more then one sugar bowl? If everyone has a sugar bowl in their kit, then in whose kit did this main, mysterious sugar bowl start in. Can we assume Esme Squalor, or do you think she stole it from somewhere else?
EDIT: I think it could have started in Olaf's kit. He's going out with Esme, so she could have been looking after it, then Beatrice stole it for a good reason. Since then, it's been passed around, and everyone's trying to get their hands on. The problem I can think of is why that volunteer threw it out of the window of the burning headquarters, instead of keeping it.
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Post by Sixteen on Nov 3, 2005 5:35:03 GMT -5
It's an optional disguise, stated in LSUA. I don't have it with me so I don't have a page, but it's on the list of everything in the disguise kit. Does that mean there's more then one sugar bowl? If everyone has a sugar bowl in their kit, then in whose kit did this main, mysterious sugar bowl start in. Can we assume Esme Squalor, or do you think she stole it from somewhere else? I'm not sure whether Esmé was ever a member of V.F.D. But the thing that those quotes made me think about were poison darts: They caused Olaf's parents to lose their lives. They are important to the Baudelaires and Snickets. And they could be evidence of... something... I dunno. But the disguise kit thing; I think that just means you can hide stuff in a sugar bowl, so that it looks inconspicuous but is actually vital to the organization.
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Post by Dante on Nov 3, 2005 7:16:58 GMT -5
The U.A. implies that there are/were many such sugar bowls, but the series indicates that there's just the one. I think it's probably an old practice that's died out and there's just one vital piece of information left (or the two are just plain inconsistent).
I don't see how the poison darts would clear Lemony's name and incriminate Olaf (which Lemony strongly implies the sugar bowl's contents would do in TSS).
I think the sugar bowl was thrown out of the window of the headquarters so that it would wind somewhere safe to sea. It might not have been safe to take it with them, in case they were captured by the sinister duo. (Also note that, while Dewey says in TPP that he and his comrade have thrown important pieces of evidence out of the windows of destroyed headquarters for precisely this reason, it can't have been him at the Valley of Four Drafts as the sugar bowl was thrown into the river before the headquarters was destroyed, and Lemony said that the Baudelaires would never meet that volunteer.)
And I just re-read SpazzMouse's post, and I may have misinterpreted it earlier. I can easily see the contents being something to defeat one side of the schism, since everyone seems to want to get their hands on it.
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Post by champ103 on Nov 3, 2005 7:35:35 GMT -5
I think that the everyone gets a sugar bowl in their disguise kit, where it is easy to hide things in. Someone-whoever THE sugar bowl belonged to-decided to hide whatever it was into their sugar bowl, and now it's been stolen time and time again. I don't think it originally belonged to Olaf, but if Esme was in possession of it, why didn't she destroy it or whatever Olaf's side what to do with it. Why did she just keep it? Maybe Lemony stole it before Esme even knew Olaf, or V.F.D....maybe suspicious sugar bowls were in, and she took it from someone.
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Post by Dante on Nov 3, 2005 7:42:19 GMT -5
I am confident that when Esmé possessed the sugar bowl, there was nothing in it of any value. It was only after Lemony stole it that the crucial information was stored inside, and it began its unfortunate journey around the world.
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