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Post by A. the Returned on Mar 8, 2005 6:46:12 GMT -5
Mentions of the Orion Observatory. Sorry is this has been discussed. 1. Pg. 28 Duchess R mentions being at the Orion Observatory and seeing someone break into a jeep. 2. Pg. 30 Lemony confirms the jeep is black and in the NW corner. How does he know? 3. TWW Editors Note. You will recieve ...... from a black jeep in the North West corner of the Orion Observatory. In conclusion it is possible that the person R saw breaking into the jeep is in fact Lemony's editor. Or R is in fact Lemony's Editor and her note is to say how she recieved the files.
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Post by Ennui on Mar 8, 2005 8:44:03 GMT -5
The R who wrote that letter probably isn't the real R. Lemony believes she is an impostor, partly because she got the colour and location of the jeep wrong. But I still like to think that the real R is connected to Orion Observatory. I hope (but doubt) we'll see it in Book 12.
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Post by A. the Returned on Mar 8, 2005 8:46:16 GMT -5
In the letter it states that it is her annual speech, suggesting that she has made one before, even if this is an imposter. R still must make a speech at the Orion Observatory on a yearly basis for it to be called annual.
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Post by Ennui on Mar 8, 2005 8:57:08 GMT -5
Excellent find. Now we know R is an astronomer...
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Post by Dante on Mar 8, 2005 11:24:39 GMT -5
Although this does partially concern the U.A., its correct place is in Perilous Places.
Edit: Darn, I was on auto-pilot and put this in the Archives. There should totally be some kind of confirm page. I've asked Antenora to move it to Perilous Places.
Edit Again: Thanks.
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Post by PJ on Mar 9, 2005 0:49:09 GMT -5
Edit: Darn, I was on auto-pilot and put this in the Archives. There should totally be some kind of confirm page. I've asked Antenora to move it to Perilous Places. Hehe... Also, it is interesting that R is an astronomer....or at least, is disguised as one... I brushed through the UA and didn't find an astronomer disguise, so it is probably R's "special skill"
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Post by A. the Returned on Mar 9, 2005 7:57:51 GMT -5
But let's suppose that Duchess R is in fact not a real duchess at all. pg 123 of the UA says "an organisation that requires its members to pretend to be various occupations, including detective (jaques investigated the death at luckysmells, pg 123), ship captain (captain of the prospero, he commanded the vessel to leave early, pg 94), dramatic critic (Lemony worked for the Daily Punctilio to tell members about coded movies, pg 77),duchess (reference to Duchess R's real idetinty, pg ), waiter (Larry of the anxious clown "I didn't realise this was a sad occasion", pg 189)and many more" Could this mean that Duchess R is not a real Duchess, she is the only duches we have met and is a member of VFD.
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Post by Antenora on Mar 9, 2005 8:05:00 GMT -5
Maybe that was referring to the imposter duchess who wrote the letter to Lemony about her house burning down. The duchess impersonator may well be on Olaf's side.
It wouldn't be impossible to be part of VFD and yet have another job. And Lemony wasn't pretending to be a dramatic critic, he actually wrote stage reviews, apparently for a living.
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Post by A. the Returned on Mar 9, 2005 8:14:24 GMT -5
Yes, but Jaques was also a detective, he investigated the accident afterall, and the Prospero Captain did sail the ship but it was part of a disguise. Lemony must have been disguised as a dramatic critic. What other dramatic critic do we know of?
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Post by Ennui on Mar 9, 2005 8:53:51 GMT -5
The mask possesses the wearer. The master of disguise becomes his disguise, whatever his original intentions, it would seem. Who is Lemony Snicket? A question that could not even be attempted to be answered. A set of postures, of guises, of parts, shuffling on and off according to the Dictats of the Laughing God...
The duchess may have been disguised as a duchess at one point. But eventually she became "any duchesses who happen to be here in disguise" (LSUA introduction.) VFDers adhere so strongly to their roles that the roles seem to usurp their identities, eventually, and another role is pasted on top of them-like the skins of an onion.
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Post by Antenora on Mar 9, 2005 9:00:44 GMT -5
The mask possesses the wearer. The master of disguise becomes his disguise, whatever his original intentions, it would seem. Who is Lemony Snicket? A question that could not even be attempted to be answered. A set of postures, of guises, of parts, shuffling on and off according to the Dictats of the Laughing God... The duchess may have been disguised as a duchess at one point. But eventually she became "any duchesses who happen to be here in disguise" LSUA. VFDers adhere so strongly to their roles that the roles seem to usurp their identities, eventually, and another role is pasted on top of them-like the skins of an onion. Very well put, and I agree. To make their disguises more effective, the VFDers must have the required imagination to place themselves in their new identities. When Lemony was in his bullfighter disguise, he felt as if his true self had disappeared. Likewise for the Baudelaire orphans when they were dressed up as freaks.
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Post by Dante on Mar 9, 2005 15:31:14 GMT -5
I myself make the distinction between a temporary disguise and a permanent one. My examples here are the captain of the Prospero and Jacques Snicket.
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Post by RockSunner on Mar 14, 2005 12:48:29 GMT -5
Here's an interesting reference page on the legend of Orion: www.online-mythology.com/orionAt the start of the article: Orion was the son of Neptune. He was a handsome giant and a mighty hunter. His father gave him the power of wading through the depths of the sea...Does thie foreshadow the Baudelaires in their diving suits hunting for the sugar bowl? Or is it just a coincidence?
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Post by Ennui on Mar 14, 2005 14:04:25 GMT -5
Coincidence, I fear. Though you could say it foreshadows that the Duchess also travels underwater, as (maybe) hinted in the Grim Grotto with "Duchess R".
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Post by Antenora on Mar 14, 2005 15:18:48 GMT -5
Could Duchess R(or even the imposter) have been the woman swimming in the grotto through the Vertical Flame Diversions? The Orion-ocean connection may or may not be significant, but like all of Lemony's little clues it's fun to speculate on.
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