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Post by Dante on May 26, 2008 6:08:52 GMT -5
You're quite correct; there are two Beatrices, one the mother of Violet, Klaus and Sunny, and the other the daughter of Kit. The letters from Beatrice in TBL are from the younger Beatrice; the letters to Beatrice are to the elder Beatrice. The letters to Beatrice are in order, and the letters from Beatrice in order, but the former were written many years before aSoUE even started, while the latter were written many years after aSoUE ended.
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Post by Prongs on Jun 8, 2008 11:09:39 GMT -5
My favorite letter is the one where Lemony is responding to Beatrice's rejection of marrige, where he is answering the questions. The question that goes on and on with different "I love you like"scenarios is amazing. I typed up that whole thing if anyone wants me to post it...
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Post by thedoctororwell on Jun 12, 2008 3:28:07 GMT -5
The french editor of Asoue wouldn't translate TBL, as it would be a commercial suicide (of which he would be entirely responsible, given his past marketing works on the series). So the french community of Asoue Fans designed a un-official online french translation project, which fell into my responsability... It was both fascinating and exhausting ! Try to translate the "My Silence Knot" anagram into aother language, anyone ? However I've re-read and I've realized there were a bunch of minor errors. I have to correct that some day... Anyway, the thing to know is that french people now have ways to read TBL in their own language.
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Post by Dante on Jun 12, 2008 5:54:40 GMT -5
Congratulations; it's great of you to do that. I agree that aSoUE fans all over the world should have access to all the canonical material; if the publishers can't or won't do it officially, it falls to a few noble fans to do it instead.
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Post by notsoquiet on Jun 13, 2008 13:30:31 GMT -5
The Beatrice Letters things that I know: -There are two Beatrices- but only one Beatrice the second the daughter of Kit is writing to Lemony Snicket - But Lemony is writing to Beatrice Baudelaire the first, as in the mother of the children -Lemony is a desperate person ( ) -Beatrice the second the serperated from the Baudelaires - She is 10 -Lemony once embrassed Beatrice the first -My Silent Knot is a volunteer poem type -Beatrice is trying to contact Lemony to find the Baudelaires -R is a friend of Beatrice -and she is the Duchess, which she was mentioned in one of the books....Duchess of what was it? Winngpeg? -She is an orphan (there are many more but I don't have the book with me now.) Not for sure but I am guessing: -Making Sunny 11 or 12 -Violet might be 16 or 17 (?) - Klaus might be 14 or 15 or 16 -Bentrad (something like that) might be the co-worker. (I might put more later...)
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Post by Dante on Jun 13, 2008 13:55:53 GMT -5
If young Beatrice is ten, you just add ten to all the Baudelaires' ages, so Violet and Klaus would be twenty-five and twenty-three, and Sunny would be in her early teens; all we know about her age is that she was less than four in TRR.
R. is the Duchess of Winnipeg, and the Baudelaires' father's name is spelt "Bertrand." There's never been much to connect him to the acting profession, but he's always been my top candidate for Beatrice's co-star.
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Post by Cream of Silk on Jun 24, 2008 12:00:33 GMT -5
Okay, now I'm really sorry if I'm getting off topic here, but I have something that could be a break-through. Now, I found it kind of strange that Lemony had the letters that he wrote TO Beatrice, but not FROM her. Shouldn't it have been exactly the opposit? Maybe Lemony's whole relationship with Beatrice is ALL IN HIS MIND?!
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Post by shnizzedy on Jul 2, 2008 16:57:23 GMT -5
Or perhaps he never sent them to her? That wouldn't explain why he doesn't have any from her, but it would explain why he has the letters to her.
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Post by captainwiddershins on Feb 15, 2009 3:18:36 GMT -5
I found this on Wikipedia, I think that this letters is written before the fire in the Bad Beginning, what thinks you?: In the seventh letter Beatrice claimed that there is a fourth Baudelaire. Probably this letter has been written for the fire and is the fourth Baudelaire Bertrand or is fourth Baudelaire-orphan. Beatrice refers therefore to that on or other manner survivor will be, whereas Beatrice knew then probably still nothing of the fateful fire which will be its mean, or this already from the start to clear that of the two Baudelaire parents the fire would survive? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beatrice_LettersBye, CaptainWiddershins
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Post by Dante on Feb 15, 2009 3:36:51 GMT -5
Garbage. The letters written by Beatrice are by Beatrice Snicket, adopted name Baudelaire, daughter of Kit Snicket. The letters written by her are written years after The End, and she is the fourth Baudelaire, having taken their name due to being raised by Violet, Klaus, and Sunny.
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Post by captainwiddershins on Feb 15, 2009 3:45:37 GMT -5
Thank you, now i understand it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2009 12:26:33 GMT -5
I have a question though: the card from Beatrice Baudelaire, the one that states "I'm the 11-year-old girl at the corner table", was that from Beatrice Baudelaire or Beatrice Snicket? Like, was she replying to Lemony's card, the 1st one in TBL?
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Post by cwm on Feb 15, 2009 12:41:15 GMT -5
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Post by Dante on Feb 15, 2009 15:51:23 GMT -5
The two cards are somewhat mutually exclusive, anyway; Lemony's card didn't need a reply. In addition, Beatrice the elder would not have been surnamed "Baudelaire" until after her marriage, which I imagine did not take place before her tenth birthday, and the card from her has the same address as the younger Beatrice has occupied in previous letters. Much like the U.A., TBL is only really confusing on the first read, when you've still got huge amounts of information rattling around in your head without any stable connections.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2009 23:48:06 GMT -5
Ah, okay..now I get it. Dante's right - TBL is confusing on the first read (and if you didn't bother to re-read it afterwards - like me, ).
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