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Post by Kount Kelsey on Feb 18, 2009 17:42:09 GMT -5
I have a question though: the card from Beatrice Baudelaire, the one that states "I'm the 11-year-old girl at the corner table", was that from Beatrice Baudelaire or Beatrice Snicket? Like, was she replying to Lemony's card, the 1st one in TBL? when readijng the beatricel etters and the series i dont remember any beatrice snicket ... but from book thirteen there was that tradition of naming your child after and ancestor (kits baby they named her beatrice ... but kit said name it after yourm other because kit was dying and the baudelaires were going to raise them. HELP!
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Post by Hermes on Feb 18, 2009 17:59:55 GMT -5
Strictly speaking you're right; there is no Beatrice Snicket. Kit's daughter is called Beatrice Baudelaire, because she was adopted by the Baudelaires; that is the name she uses throughtout TBL. However, it's convenient to call her Beatrice Snicket, after her mother, so as to avoid confusion with the original Beatrice Baudelaire.
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Post by MasterKlaus247 on Feb 26, 2009 14:16:57 GMT -5
I've heard that before.....from my teacher reading that...
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Post by grzesiek on May 16, 2009 12:22:03 GMT -5
I can not read this book, because in Poland does not want to spend.
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Post by Dante on May 20, 2009 16:04:49 GMT -5
No. The Beatrice Lemony loved was the mother of the Baudelaires, and it is she who is in the dedications. The Beatrice writing letters to Lemony is a completely different Beatrice existing in a completely different time-frame. The letters are not in chronological order overall, although they are in chronological order for the senders (all Lemony's letters are in the order he sent them, and all Beatrice's letters are in the order she sent them, but Beatrice is writing decades later).
Also, this thing is still stickied nearly three years after the book was released? *unstickies*
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Post by Dante on May 21, 2009 4:59:24 GMT -5
No. There are two individuals named Beatrice Baudelaire. One of them is the Baudelaires' mother. One of them is Lemony's niece. Lemony was writing to the Baudelaires' mother decades before the series began. Lemony's niece is writing to him a decade after the series ended.
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Post by Dante on May 22, 2009 3:22:39 GMT -5
One Beatrice is writing in TBL. One Beatrice is being written to in TBL.
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Post by lindsay1220 on Jul 6, 2009 14:14:39 GMT -5
Has anyone had any luck decoded "My Silence Knot"? And I know that "My Silence Knot" is an anagram of "Lemony Snicket", but I was always under the impression that the actual sonnet had a message encoded in it.
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Post by Christmas Chief on Jul 6, 2009 15:26:45 GMT -5
I wondered about that too. If there is it's most likely to be a code at least mentioned in the series or in UA. Unless it's a code only he and Beatrice knew, which is unlikely (that he'd put in in there without anyone knowing what it meant, that is.).
I also thought that maybe the root beer float concept might be a code, maybe just not written. I remember reading in one of the books, I can't seem to remember which one though I think it's either TEE or TSS, but it said something about pain always being stronger the more you feel it, and it used the example of a thumbtack in a root beer float and it getting more painful until you didn't drink it anymore.
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Post by Dante on Jul 6, 2009 15:31:41 GMT -5
The only place root beer floats were mentioned besides TBL is The End - the two books play off each other, for example on the motif of the brae.
As for My Silence Knot, I'm inclined to think that there is no encoded message, not in the sense that if you rearrange these letters or only read every other word. The secrets are entirely in the interpreting of the poem - just as in ordinary literary interpretation. But since the poem is self-consciously metafictional and shows awareness of the fictional narrative it is recited in, it's unclear how far you should take that, either.
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Post by blais on Jul 14, 2009 21:12:19 GMT -5
Alright, not to be mean, but I can't believe some of the ridicoulous things being said here. Anyways, here's what I've uncovered:
1. The Beatrice that Lemony is writing to is obviously the Baudelaries mom. This is a cold hard fact.
2. The Beatrice writing to Lemony is the 10 year old daughter of Kit Snicket, who was unofficially adopted by the Baudelaire orphans, making her a Baudelaire as well. She is looking for her family after "Beatrice Sank"when they left the island, and she was seperated from them. These letters explain she contacted Lemony to find her family, unaware at first of his connection to the Baudelaries. I have noticed people are mixed up with timelines. Beatrice contacted Lemony years after the end, and yet it is where the story begins, because this is how Lemony gets into researching them. Anyways I'm rambing, time to point out things I have discovered. I was just clearing up the confusion between the two Beatrices which never should've been there.
3. Anagrams: "My Silence Knot" - Lemony Snicket, "Baticeer" - Beatrice #1, Mixed up letters - BEATRICE SANK, A BRAE SNICKET, and perhaps the most intriguing one, A BRAE CASKET. Let me explain this one. The Figs. throughout TBL appear to form letters: S, I, C, T. I believe this is an anagram for "CIST" which is a type of coffin. Subsiquently, coffin is another word for casket. Now Lemony often regarded himself as a "brae-man" so to me brae can only represent him. This is tying in Lemony in with death, and the only important death I can think of is Beatrices. So Lemony hid something in her casket? But thats only if she was buried at all, it doesn't say whether there was a body or if she was burned to ashes. The sugar bowl is hidden? Maybe. Also a cist is a stone coffin. Search a brae on google images and you get an image of a brae that includes little stonehold type things. You also get a picture of a gravestone. This may be pushing it, but everything is linked. There are other things that I believe are anagrams but I don't know what they mean. The wet viper statement by Olaf is one and I am thinking things like brae-man may be an anagram for a name, but I haven't really thought about it much.
4. The Ring - It pisses me off that I don't know who "R' is. She was Beatrice's friend, she was the Duchess of Winnipeg, her mother died (also Duchess) and she seemed to be involved in everything. Why is her identity such a secret? Am I missing something? Anyways the ring is important. Once it was given to Lemony I believe he proposed to Beatrice with it. Also, in TBL the word ring is circled twice. I believe it is a key used to decipher the poem "My Silence Knot" (the word ring I mean), but I haven't had much luck. Or it could literally be a key. For the sugar bowl perhaps. Either way, I don't like how in the 13th book it is just brushed off with no mention of "R". Maybe she isn't important, but the ring is.
5. The Co-Star - TBL often mentions Beatrice's "co-star". It also reveals a code about this co-star. It says "are you certain your co-star is one of us?" This led me to believe that Olaf was the co-star, because of his "theatrical awards" he brags about, and that he turned to treachery. But treachery or not, he still has the eye on his ankle and is "one of them." But, it is Olaf who in the 13th book says something about how Mr. Poe used to only go by his "stage name". Through a little bit of tinkering I have concluded that Mr. Poe was Beatrice's co-star. The importance? Probably none.
Other Things Worth Noting: Ok, this is getting long, so I won't take the time here to talk about every last little clue and suspcious message, but I will note some things I found out from TBL 1. Lemony's office was across the street from the Baudelaries and had a clear view of it 2. Beatrice #2 gave away a ring with an R on it for a yak ride further proving that Beatrice #2 was adopted by the Baudelaries (because they passed the ring down to her at the end of the 13th) and NOT a snicket or ANYONE else. 3. The Great Unknown 4. The Telegram - Lemony states that there is something he needs to tell Beatrice that is so important he has to type it in code. All you get from the code is an A. 5. There was a love affair between Lemony and Beatrice #1
Ok thats all I will give you for now. I am aware of all the theories about the sugar bowl and the contents blah blah blah. I didn't mention it here because it did not seem to have relvence. if you can show me how it fits in, then great.
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berg8793
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Post by berg8793 on Jul 16, 2009 10:40:52 GMT -5
I've got another idea for the letters. Take the letters of BEATRICE SANK or whatever it's meant to spell and add L, because Lemony didn't want to put his initial on the last letter - the one to his "editor." Rearrange those letters and we get A KENSICLE BRAT. Possibly a reference to The Littlest Elf?
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Post by Hermes on Jul 16, 2009 11:55:03 GMT -5
Alright, not to be mean, but I can't believe some of the ridicoulous things being said here. Bear in mind a lot of this was written before The End, when things wouldn't have been so clear. You're undoubtedly right about the basic shape of what happens - I have some doubts about a few points. Agreed. (Not actually explicit until TE, but pretty obvious from TBL itself.) Agreed. Here we do need TE to fill in the gaps, but it was a fair guess that this was Kit's child even before that. Not sure about this - why would she contact him if she's unaware of the connection? And she says 'I want you to tell me the story that began in a sort of classroom', implying she is aware of the events in the letters from Lemony to Beatrice. Ooh, now that does open a can of worms. There's some evidence in the books that Lemony is writing while the events are still going on. I personally think there's much more evidence that he's writing long after, in which case it makes sense that his research is going on at the same time Beatrice is writing to him. But the idea that she started his research is a new one, I think. Doesn't she say something like 'rumours of your research have reached me', though? The figures, though, if you combine them with letters written in the margins and so on, turn out to spell out the same message as is found in the pictures - BEATRICE SANK, and whatever its anagram is. I agree there must be a second message, and that it should have something to do with a brae. I rather like CASKET IN BRAE (not originally my idea, but I'm not sure where it comes from). (But a casket doesn't have to mean a coffin - it can just mean a sealed box. It could refer to the box in which Lemony keeps his secrets.) I agree that brae-man should be an anagram - the answers in LS to BB #5 strongly suggest that. 'A wet viper perm' is pre-emptive war (hidden in case you're still trying to guess it). Well, we know a lot about her, just not her first name. She would probably have normally been known as 'the Duchess'. I doubt anything much turns on this - it's just part of the 'you don't know everything' theme. That's because it signals the start and end of a passage of Sebald code. I'm not sure if the ring has any real signficance beyond what we know - as a link between the various stages of the story, especially the two Beatrices. Could well be. I don't think it can be Olaf, because Lemony seems to refer to him and Olaf as separate people ('whether you marry your co-star, or Y, or even O...'). The simplest solution, though, is that it's the man she did in the end marry, Bertrand Baudelaire. The burnt plot that Beatrice could see from his window? Quite possibly, but a lot of other buildings have been burnt as well. How does that come into TBL? I've got another idea for the letters. Take the letters of BEATRICE SANK or whatever it's meant to spell and add L, because Lemony didn't want to put his initial on the last letter - the one to his "editor." Rearrange those letters and we get A KENSICLE BRAT. Possibly a reference to The Littlest Elf? Interesting thought, but as I think Dante said earlier, where would it lead to? Am I right that your idea is that because L says 'I don't want to write my initial [singular]' we should just take one initial for the anagram? It's certainly an odd turn of phrase - but now I wonder if it may be meant as a misprint. I have a deep suspicion that the misprints in TBL conceal something, but I don't know what.
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berg8793
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Post by berg8793 on Jul 17, 2009 12:52:29 GMT -5
I have a deep suspicion that the misprints in TBL conceal something, but I don't know what. What kind of misprints, exactly?
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Post by Hermes on Jul 17, 2009 13:47:01 GMT -5
There are two misprints that are clearly intended, 'Duchess of Winnipeg is Deaf' and 'my life is as broken as a malfuctioning typewrite9'.
There are two which are definitely misprints but may not be intended; 'the Hotel Denoument' (missing an e) in one of Beatrice's letters, and 'Independant' in the telegram.
I think these are the only ones that have been found, but there may be others, where the misprint forms a real word, but not the word that was intended.
It would be nice if they made up a message, following Josephine's code in TWW, but if so it hasn't been discovered.
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