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Post by MyKindEditor on Jun 1, 2010 4:17:48 GMT -5
Also, O and E are definately Olaf and Esme?
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Post by Christmas Chief on Jun 1, 2010 17:24:12 GMT -5
I think it's been strongly suggested that Jerome was not a member of the VFD. I also agree that Josephine seems unlikely, since she'd be correcting someone's grammar. There weren't any grammatical errors in the transcript for her to correct (however, it's possible to find a grammatical error in anything if you look hard enough). Also, O and E are definately Olaf and Esme? I would think so, but I'm not quite certain how old these two were at this time, or when they met. There aren't many other plausible alternatives, though.
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Post by MyKindEditor on Jun 2, 2010 1:52:09 GMT -5
Why would O want to be called T though?
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Post by Hermes on Jun 2, 2010 6:07:31 GMT -5
Well, O often uses aliases - Gunther, Shirley, Mattathias.... So perhaps during this episode he was calling himself Tiberius or something.
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Post by MyKindEditor on Jun 6, 2010 3:38:30 GMT -5
What would be the point of that if the whole meeting knew he was O then refused to call him T?
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Post by Dante on Jun 6, 2010 5:23:52 GMT -5
It's one of his ways of holding power over people. Look at how he forces the Baudelaires to use his disguised named in the main series - TRR in particular is interesting from this perspective.
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Post by MyKindEditor on Jun 6, 2010 15:10:10 GMT -5
Yes but he uses disguises to fool people that don't know him, obviously everyone at the meeting knew who he was, he doesn't need any disguise and I don't see why he'd bother to disguise himself in front of people who could see through it within seconds. The V.F.D probably invented the disguise (if he was even wearing one) so it would be utterly pointless to even attempt to fool them.
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Post by Dante on Jun 6, 2010 15:25:34 GMT -5
You mean like he does throughout The End? And in TAA Olaf himself believes that his disguise has fooled the Baudelaires despite them seeing through three of his previous disguises immediately. You just have to roll with it. Olaf's presently using a different guise, one with a name beginning T., and he's disgruntled when people see through it.
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Post by MyKindEditor on Jun 6, 2010 15:56:54 GMT -5
I understand what you're saying but I still think there is something else about it.
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Post by survivorofthefire on Jun 29, 2011 14:18:32 GMT -5
There is one problem with K being Kit- J (presumably Jacques) states that he first met all of them at 1485 Columbia Road, except L (assuming this is Lemony) it wouldn't make sense for K to be Kit, because I am sure Jacques would've met his twin before attending a V.F.D. meeting. Of course the one speaking could have been the other J (Josephine?) and L (either if J is Josephine).
I am not sure who the 9-year-old R is but I believe the other R (who is probably the Vice Chancellor) is Lemony's Duchess R.
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Post by Vanja on Sept 26, 2011 8:41:19 GMT -5
M could be Monday.
I also think E is Ernest, because the character seems male and I don't think Esmé was a V.F.D. member.
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Post by Hermes on Sept 26, 2011 10:56:00 GMT -5
I also think E is Ernest, because the character seems male and I don't think Esmé was a V.F.D. member. Is it clear that E in the transcript is a VFD member? S/he is hiding in the building, where members think s/he has no business to be - Olaf, who certainly was a member at one time, may have shown him/her the way in.
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Post by Vanja on Sept 27, 2011 14:36:01 GMT -5
I also think E is Ernest, because the character seems male and I don't think Esmé was a V.F.D. member. Is it clear that E in the transcript is a VFD member? S/he is hiding in the building, where members think s/he has no business to be - Olaf, who certainly was a member at one time, may have shown him/her the way in. The reactions of the members seem to suggest that the members in the meeting knew both E and O and that both E and O were completely aware of the organization. I think it's also clear that Esmé wasn't taken in by V.F.D.
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Post by Dante on Sept 27, 2011 16:36:56 GMT -5
It's generally viewed as pretty plausible that Olaf told her all about V.F.D., though. The two of them have been partners in crime for a long time. Personally, though, I think you could argue for either side - although I think that the transcript's O. and E. being Olaf and Esmé is almost certainly the intended interpretation; it's the logical inference to draw from their combined arsons and oppositions to V.F.D. over the volumes preceding the U.A.'s publication.
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Post by Christmas Chief on Sept 27, 2011 17:05:45 GMT -5
It seems that if E were Ernest, there would be some nod to his siblings, or at least a play on the triplet's close physical resemblance to his siblings - I doubt Snicket would pass up an opportunity to create more uncertainty. On that note, however, the response to the two intruders might have been left off to be intentionally ambiguous; although we often look to the books before the U.A. for answers, it's equally possible others were created with the mysterious initial in mind.
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