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Post by Vanja on Sept 27, 2011 18:13:02 GMT -5
It seems that Esmé was a friend of Beatrice's at some point, I don't think that would be plausible if E were Esmé and if it were Ernest, the members in the meeting would've drawn the conclusion it was Ernest and not Frank nor Dewey, because he was with O.
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Post by Christmas Chief on Sept 28, 2011 5:14:56 GMT -5
Even if Esmé wasn't inaugurated into V.F.D., Olaf would have given her all the details so that she might as well be. It seems the Denouements were young when the schism happened, but I don't think it's unreasonable to say they all started out on the same side (although they might have been raised differently by their capturers, admittedly). I doubt the members of the meeting would automatically deduce Ernest's identity based on his company, though; they'd want to be sure this was Ernest and that he hadn't turned one of his brothers.
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Post by Hermes on Sept 28, 2011 11:29:05 GMT -5
Where do we hear that Esme was a friend of Beatrice? In any case, I don't think they could still be friends at the time of the building committee meeting, because this clearly comes after One Last Warning to Those who Stand in my Way (since Geraldine is already writing her column about secret organisations), and on that occasion Beatrice was thrown out of the cast to make room for Esme.
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Post by B. on Oct 7, 2011 12:38:30 GMT -5
Where do we hear that Esme was a friend of Beatrice? SPOILER WARNING The beatrice letters suggest that beatrice and lemony attended a tea party hosted by Esme where they stole the sugar bowl. Perhaps this was the beginning of the schism?
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Post by Dante on Oct 7, 2011 13:40:28 GMT -5
I wouldn't worry about spoiler warnings, brunch. The series ended five years ago. In any case, the tea party is unlikely to be the start of the schism because, per TPP, the schism happened when Kit was four - and Lemony is her younger brother.
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Post by Hermes on Oct 7, 2011 16:02:10 GMT -5
Well, the original schism did - but to make everything that's said about schisms work (e.g that it was caused by Olaf, and that it was 'recent'; at the time of J and E's marriage) we have to imagine sub-schisms along the way, and the tea party may be the start of one of them.
Does Beatrice being at Esme's party mean B and E were friends? That's one possibility, but perhaps Beatrice was only there as Lemony's companion, or perhaps the connection was professional (they were both actresses); there are several ways it could have happened.
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Post by B. on Oct 7, 2011 16:20:34 GMT -5
I wouldn't worry about spoiler warnings, brunch. The series ended five years ago. In any case, the tea party is unlikely to be the start of the schism because, per TPP, the schism happened when Kit was four - and Lemony is her younger brother. Ah, I didn't think of that one, Dante.
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Post by The Duchess on Sept 30, 2013 18:41:58 GMT -5
What about the neophytes?
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Post by Dante on Oct 1, 2013 2:01:35 GMT -5
Ah, you mean "R, L, K, B, J, E, and G"? There's a good chance that some of them were in the transcript anyway, given that one of the R.s was only nine years old. Depending on the time when the transcript took place and how old you can be and still be considered a neophyte, it may be no coincidence that the initials of the Snicket siblings are among those characters, too - and if that's the case, the B could be Beatrice or Bertrand. If you're reading it that way, the E could be Esmé again. The G probably isn't Geraldine, though, despite another G for Geraldine being mentioned shortly afterwards. Geraldine clearly isn't a member of V.F.D. and the transcript reflects that. Looking at a character list... could be Gustav.
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Post by bandit on Oct 3, 2013 17:27:39 GMT -5
I always thought that one of the Rs was the Duchess of Winnipeg, and then the neophyte R was the Duchess of Winnipeg's daughter, who later would also become Duchess.
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Post by Dante on Oct 4, 2013 1:22:16 GMT -5
That would work quite well.
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Post by Lariie on Oct 4, 2013 15:14:48 GMT -5
I think one of the M's is Theodora Markson. .-. I don't know if Daniel already had the story of Lemony in her head when writing asoue BUT it make sense for me.
I don't believe that Beatrice and Esmé were friends. But was mentioned two meetings with them. The tea party and another one that I don't remember clearly now... D: If I'm not wrong, Lemony mentioned a day when Esmé was introduced to Beatrice.
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Post by Dante on Oct 5, 2013 2:42:41 GMT -5
Yes, that's right. I think it's in THH that Lemony wishes he could go back and prevent Beatrice from having met Esmé Squalor. It's confusing because that was also apparently a tea party.
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