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Post by Dante on Nov 12, 2009 17:02:46 GMT -5
I wonder how long the time difference will be between each book- if, indeed, the books are coming out one at a time. A stirring suggestion! I'm sure I'm not the only one who's harboured, secretly, the theory that the long wait until the new series starts indicates a relatively brief, or even simultaneous, publication order. But realistically, as a four-part series, LBC will probably want to string the profits out over four years, even if Snicket finishes them before then. (It'd be different if it was a longer series, with shorter volumes - the recent twelve-book series, Goosebumps HorrorLand, was published across the span of just over a single year! But ol' R.L. Stine can churn out a book a fortnight, and I think we'd rather Handler put in a bit more effort. I think the most aSoUE books ever to come out in the space of a single year were three - TWW through TAA.) Thanks for that information, sherryann. LBC's looking like an increasingly solid home for the series, so long as detractors of a certain vampire series can "bite the bullet," as it were.
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Post by Dante on Nov 13, 2009 4:11:52 GMT -5
Apologies for the double-post, but I picked up a few clarifications from a benefactor:
Snicket's picture book with Maria Kalman, and Handler's young adult novel with Maria Kalman, are indeed entirely separate projects. Also, Snicket's new series is an "investigation" - take that how you will.
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Post by Hermes on Nov 13, 2009 10:43:39 GMT -5
Also, Snicket's new series is an "investigation" - take that how you will. Interesting. I mean, objectively not interesting at all, since we've already been told that, but interesting that someone thinks it's significant enough to repeat. I think this is good news.
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Post by Dante on Nov 13, 2009 10:52:46 GMT -5
As you may have noticed, HarperCollins just released the entire text of TBB online for free. Should we be reading something into this regarding what else we've learned over the past couple of days?
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Post by cwm on Nov 13, 2009 13:45:52 GMT -5
Re the gap between the releases of the new books: I suppose it depends on their length, of which we have no idea. The longer they are, the greater the timespan between releases... presumably.
I presume this means we'll get the same tone of style as ASoUE basically, with all the references to his research.
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Post by Hermes on Nov 13, 2009 13:49:52 GMT -5
As you may have noticed, HarperCollins just released the entire text of TBB online for free. Should we be reading something into this regarding what else we've learned over the past couple of days? I did wonder. But it can hardly have been done without Handler's (as opposed to Snicket's) consent.
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Post by Dante on Nov 13, 2009 14:27:19 GMT -5
I should imagine that, HC now knowing that they won't be enjoying the benefits of Snicket's new series, they're trying to make what they can out of his old series, which should nonetheless enjoy some form of a renaissance when the new series starts to come out. I must admit I had sort of wondered if the aSoUE license had gone with Handler to Little, Brown... and if not, does that mean that Handler can't write books related to aSoUE if he's working for a different publisher now? This may have a definite impact on whether or not the new series is canonically linked to the old.
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Post by Hermes on Nov 13, 2009 15:13:19 GMT -5
I must admit I had sort of wondered if the aSoUE license had gone with Handler to Little, Brown... and if not, does that mean that Handler can't write books related to aSoUE if he's working for a different publisher now? This may have a definite impact on whether or not the new series is canonically linked to the old. That would be very tricky, given that the name 'Lemony Snicket' is itself linked to ASOUE. It would be pretty silly of HC to complain about his simply using the name, but if it's an investigation, in which he says things like 'After fifty-three days of research I have discovered...', he's treating himself as a character, which is a clear ASOUE link. I think, though, that while HC will keep the right to publish the existing books, the copyrights, which include the right to use characters and settings, belong to the author. Certainly we live in exciting times.
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Post by Dante on Nov 13, 2009 16:28:52 GMT -5
I kinda disagree with you, Hermes. I think that the Lemony Snicket persona is identifiable with him as an author rather than as a character. I don't see it as being specific to aSoUE at all; it's a written style, and he's used it for several other one-offs, none of which were compatible with aSoUE and some of which weren't even published by HarperCollins. I think that the potential distinction between an authorial persona and a narrating character, both with the same name and features, is not one that I envision coming up in copyright disputes. I think that Snicket'd be fine writing exactly as he did in aSoUE, with references to himself as an agent, just so long as the aSoUE continuity isn't directly referred to or shared. And even then, he could get away with in-jokes and sly continuity nods so long as they weren't necessary to understand the story. And I think with the "investigation" confirmation, that is actually quite likely to be what we're going to end up with.
But, as you point out, it's a moot point, because Handler will have the rights to the characters and setting, and HC will have only the rights to publish the books in question. Not a big deal. And LBC could presumably buy those too if it really wanted to, although I think that all sides probably recognise that the glory days of aSoUE are over, while the glory days of ??? are yet to come.
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Post by Dante on Jan 16, 2010 11:58:13 GMT -5
New and extremely interesting information from the article I just posted here. The important bit: --- He brings good news for his young fans. Handler is already turning his mind to a new series of dark adventures. Though the 13th and final title in the Baudelaire sequence came down to what passes for a happy ending — two deaths and a voyage into the unknown — it was an open-ended conclusion, expressed by its final illustration of a question mark. Handler concedes that the forthcoming books will “approach that question mark from a different angle”. He goes on: “It is mostly an entirely new story. But if you are a close reader of the series you will see some overlap. There will be something for people who are hungry for that sort of thing.” --- The article also raises the possibility that the series might start publication in 2011 rather than 2012.
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Post by JTB on Jul 21, 2010 23:18:31 GMT -5
Apologies for the uber-bump, but I'd really like to get the hype for this going again. I mean, when I read this info (awhile ago), I realized that no matter how tiny the hints are that Snicket throws into this new series, we're like Snicket bloodhounds. We'll be able to sniff it out. I just can't wait for all the discussion, debate, speculation, conjecture, and activity to get started over this series. It'll be just like The Nameless Novel days... *dreams of yesteryear*
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Post by Dante on Jul 22, 2010 3:33:59 GMT -5
I think a few other threads have come up with news on the new series by now, but they were in Weary Writer instead. For example, we know that the new series will have some returning characters from aSoUE.
The problem is that, with a 2012 release, we really can't expect much more than a few tidbits right now; Handler himself has basically stated in every interview for the past few months that the new series is still kind of embryonic, which suggests that he hasn't even started seriously writing it yet.
Heh, I just went trawling on Google News to see if I could find anything. I was briefly astonished at a reference to Emily Browning having appeared in "two Lemony Snicket films" - two? - but I'm pretty confident that that was a mistake, as it was in the past tense. But I'm sure that, if anything turns up, it'll eventually wash up on these shores.
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Post by Christmas Chief on Jul 22, 2010 12:36:30 GMT -5
It still might be fun to speculate what the new series might hold, or what characters may be returning while we know virtually nothing about it. Then when the first installment is released we can see if any ideas were close to what actually happened.
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Post by Dante on Jul 22, 2010 13:33:27 GMT -5
Maybe I should make a "new series speculation thread" sometime... but I'd really rather wait until we have a bit more to go on.
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Post by Hermes on Jul 22, 2010 13:59:03 GMT -5
Yes, speculation has to start somewhere. At the moment all we know is that it is set in the same world as ASOUE. I don't think we even know if it is earlier or later (or overlapping), which would clearly make a difference to who might turn up. I feel we should wait until we know a bit more.
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