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Post by Dante on Oct 2, 2014 3:10:36 GMT -5
Those are all sketches of the full-page illustrations from ?2. I can't see any major difference, except for an officer's head turned a different direction in the bottom-right of the ?2 endpiece.
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Post by Poe's Coats Host Toast on Oct 2, 2014 3:32:16 GMT -5
Why should there be any differences in the first place? Anyway, I'm guessing Seth wouldn't let any pictures from future books (future being after the film's release) be seen in the movie to avoid trouble with publishers. What I'm most hoping for is seeing Seth's creative process, and aside from that maybe early sketches from ATWQ (oh, and maybe some animated ATWQ art).
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Post by Dante on Oct 2, 2014 4:14:18 GMT -5
Why should there be any differences in the first place? Because there sometimes have been (along with some projected illustrations not being used at all). I think it's more a sign of when this particular footage was shot.
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Post by Poe's Coats Host Toast on Oct 25, 2015 11:13:40 GMT -5
There is an interview from May this year, in which he talks a bit about his experience working on ATWQ and there's also an interesting mention about the possibility of further collaborations with Daniel Handler/LS: Furthermore, the documentary "Seth's Dominion" is now officially available for streaming! It only costs 3$ to watch it online for 48h. I'll try watching it in the coming days myself (maybe even today).
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Post by Dante on Oct 25, 2015 14:48:55 GMT -5
Sounds like working on ATWQ was a really good experience for him. That's excellent.
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Post by meinhard1 on Oct 26, 2015 23:33:07 GMT -5
I remember it being difficult, at first, for me to accept that Snickets new series wouldn't have Helquist. His work was, for me, as much a part of ASoUE as the writing. (I purchased the complete boxed set largely for its wonderful art.)
Yet my love for Seths work has only grown throughout this series. In ?4 there are some images which show large portions of the cast. The characters all look so distinct and full of personality. Moxie is perfect with her hat, hair and signature outfit. Also his images are pretty full of info -- sometimes they seem to tell the story by themselves...
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Post by Dante on Oct 27, 2015 3:24:39 GMT -5
It's definitely interesting to imagine what ATWQ would have been like if illustrated by Helquist, but with the choice to use somebody different, I think an artist with a completely different style was a better choice than anyone who might have been closer to Helquist; I think we might have had a harder time with somebody who was merely similar. There's also a difference in what they choose to illustrate; particularly towards the end, I feel like Helquist was focussing way too much on illustrating weird abstractions and asides like goats and ballerinas rather than things that were literally happening in the narrative, and there's a pretty enormous number of characters who were never illustrated. Seth, on the other hand, always draws on-screen events and we've gotten plenty of character art out of it. My only real complaint are the covers, which are in a different style to his interior style and frankly I think have always given the wrong impression.
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Post by Poe's Coats Host Toast on Oct 27, 2015 9:58:00 GMT -5
Frankly, the books would probably look much better if Seth would've designed the covers as well. He's done quite a bit of work in designing books (like The Portable Dorothy Parker, or Chekhov short stories, or Peanuts collections) and it's pretty great.
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Post by Dante on Oct 27, 2015 10:25:24 GMT -5
That's very interesting to hear. Of course, the actual cover designer, Gail Doobinin, has some pedigree with the books of Twilight and Pseudonymous Bosch... or I should say, had some pedigree, for she is now no longer employed by Little, Brown & Co.
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Post by Reba on Oct 27, 2015 10:27:54 GMT -5
huh. i always hated the Stephenie Meyer and Pseudonymous Bosch covers
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Post by Hermes on Oct 27, 2015 10:34:15 GMT -5
It's definitely interesting to imagine what ATWQ would have been like if illustrated by Helquist, but with the choice to use somebody different, I think an artist with a completely different style was a better choice than anyone who might have been closer to Helquist; I think we might have had a harder time with somebody who was merely similar. There's also a difference in what they choose to illustrate; particularly towards the end, I feel like Helquist was focussing way too much on illustrating weird abstractions and asides like goats and ballerinas rather than things that were literally happening in the narrative, and there's a pretty enormous number of characters who were never illustrated. Seth, on the other hand, always draws on-screen events and we've gotten plenty of character art out of it. My only real complaint are the covers, which are in a different style to his interior style and frankly I think have always given the wrong impression. I remember when the station picture from book 1 was released, and we were thinking 'Ah, just like Helquist, illustrating something largely irrelevant to the story - Lemony's associate (Beatrice, obviously) is waiting for him, but that has nothing to do with the main plot'. And it turned out to be very relevant indeed.
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Post by B. on Oct 27, 2015 16:35:18 GMT -5
I really like the Seth art, but you do have to wonder if it had been illustrated by Helquist would it have taken off more? As being markets as an asoue prequel rather than just a Lemony Snicket series.
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Post by Dante on Oct 27, 2015 17:35:32 GMT -5
I don't think it would've needed a Helquist cover for that, just a less aggressively different design. To me, the covers never really understood Snicket as a writer, least of all when they put his name in big goofy bubble text.
Edit: Although to answer the question you asked, I think having that obvious connection there probably would have helped, and moreover would probably have seen the covers designed differently to play to the strengths of a very different style of illustrator.
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Post by A comet crashing into Earth on Oct 30, 2015 16:47:27 GMT -5
That's very interesting to hear. Of course, the actual cover designer, Gail Doobinin, has some pedigree with the books of Twilight and Pseudonymous Bosch... or I should say, had some pedigree, for she is now no longer employed by Little, Brown & Co. I'll begrudgingly admit that from what I remember about the covers of those series, the Twilight ones are pretty definitely my favourites - of all three series. It's sort of difficult to do much wrong with simple, symbolic objects on a pitch-black background. Though I possibly have this view because I associate that style with the Black Cover editions of the Discworld books.
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Post by Dante on Oct 30, 2015 17:10:30 GMT -5
Twilight had a very good cover that worked on a lot of levels... but the subject matter and style are completely incompatible with ATWQ, so unfortunately it's not really relevant.
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