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Post by lsandthebooks on Sept 14, 2019 20:25:39 GMT -5
It's a shame their notebooks were destroyed in Book 7...they also said they have a specific secret about Olaf. Is this or any other secrets from their notebooks ever mentioned in the series again?
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Post by Dante on Sept 15, 2019 3:31:19 GMT -5
You should review THH pages 74-77, where we learn that fragments of the Quagmire notebooks read as follows: - 'Jacques Snicket worked for V.F.D., which stands for Volunteer'
- 'In photographs, and in each public place, / Snicket rarely shows his face.'
- 'apartment' and "what looks like half of a map"
- 'Al Funcoot' and 'Ana Gram'
- "a long list of dates. It looks like something was going on every twelve weeks or so"
- 'fire'
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Sept 16, 2019 7:54:20 GMT -5
I wonder ... The practices of the three Qs are very similar to the practices of VFD. They were created equal to the three Baudelaire or are they really part of VFD ...
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Post by Foxy on Sept 17, 2019 13:00:08 GMT -5
' In photographs, and in each public place, / Snicket rarely shows his face.' This part is interesting to me. They knew about Lemony Snicket, but the Baudelaires did not. They probably thought this was Jacques. Although I suppose it could have referred to both siblings. I literally in the last post I just posted said something to the effect of "It would be interesting if there was a series from the Quagmires' perspcetive." But you, it's kind of fun not knowing everything and not having everything wrapped up. It makes the books rereadable, because you might come up with a new theory every time you read it.
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Sept 17, 2019 14:05:11 GMT -5
I think this is very specific information about Lemony. This is further indicative that the Quimires are more than they claim to be. They were investigating Lemony. Or, they heard Olaf say something about Lemony.
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Post by Dante on Sept 18, 2019 7:06:04 GMT -5
There is an exchange in TVV showing that the Quagmires are aware of Lemony Snicket and his history - and that the Baudelaires should be, too:
(TVV, p. 222)
Of course, come Chapter Fourteen the Baudelaires don't remember the name "Lemony" at all, but there we go.
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Sept 18, 2019 8:20:28 GMT -5
The more I read your comments, but I'm sure Quigley is a trained VFD agent. See, he used the VFD secret code with the Baudelaires, (I didn't realize it was a sad occasion), he has cartography training, he knew Lemony Snicket by name, he knew about entering the secret base. True, he may have learned a lot from reading, but he had the specific books to send a secret message to Queequeg and knew where JS was in order to send a copy of the telegram to JS. Quigley Kit knew JS would understand the code as well.
That is, Quigley knew that the Baudelaires were on the submarine, knew that the crew had the books to decode the message, and knew that the crew knew how to decode the message. How did Quigley know where the Baudelaires were? He received this information either from Captain W. Captain W. evidently passed information off the submarine. But he couldn't know where Quigley was. Captain W passed information to an information centralizer regarding Hotel D's fragmented plan. Probably JS was the information centralizer, as Quigley probably contacted JS to inform him where he was, and then received the referral information from JS. to the Baudelaires.
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Post by Hermes on Sept 20, 2019 9:36:35 GMT -5
There is an exchange in TVV showing that the Quagmires are aware of Lemony Snicket and his history - and that the Baudelaires should be, too: (TVV, p. 222) Of course, come Chapter Fourteen the Baudelaires don't remember the name "Lemony" at all, but there we go. They can be aware of Lemony but not of his name. There are several points where he is mentioned in their presence, but his first name is not used - e.g Widdershins calls him 'Jacques Snicket's brother'. I take it this is a deliberate ongoing trick. I agree that the Q's probably do know his name, but there's nothing surprising about that; he was at one time quite a notorious figure. But regarding Quigley: I think seeing him as a trained agent (to a greater extent than his actual story shows) damages the themes of the series. He appears at first as a mysterious figure who seems to have inside knowledge, but he turns out to be an orphan like the Baudelaires, who has become a volunteer by volunteering, though he picked up some knowledge and skills from Jacques. The point is that there is nothing especially mysterious or esoteric about being a volunteer; anyone can become one, as the Baudelaires do within TSS (there's a reference at one point to V, K and Q as 'the three volunteers'), as Strauss, Jerome, Hal and possibly Charles do later - and as you can too.
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Sept 21, 2019 5:47:44 GMT -5
Being a volunteer is different from being a trained VFD agent. Lemony's way of doing things is to let untrained agents know about VFD ... That is, Lemony loves to do unofficial recruitment. But being a VFD agent involves specialized training. Keep in mind that Lemony disagrees with this. This makes things a little confusing. Which of the characters were officially trained by the secret organization? Which were aggregated by Lemony and those who support their ideas? I think Fiona didn't receive specialized training. And really, neither Ducan nor Isadora should have received specialized training. But Quigley ... He seems to know how to lie very well, and seems not to want to reveal everything he knows, and even what he has revealed seems to have regretted revealing it when he took off his mask, and pretended to be someone so lost in life. story as the three B. But once separated from them, Quigley again became a very important person in VFD. Someone who was in direct contact with JS. Someone who knew very difficult secret codes, and claim to have specific poetry books. Someone Kit already knew ... And seriously ... Kit seems to be familiar with him already.
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Post by Hermes on Sept 21, 2019 12:37:56 GMT -5
I don't think Q can be a trained agent. That is, he has training relevant to being a volunteer, cartography, but his siblings each have one relevant skill as well, as do the Baudelaires. The full training described in ATWQ takes several years; if he had gone away on such a training programme, his siblings would know about it. It couldn't be fitted in to the time since the fire.
I'm not sure anyone, by the time of ASOUE, is getting such training; there is still some kind of training programme, as Beatrice later takes part in it, but if I remember rightly that just took one year. Indeed, I'm not sure there is anyone now who can be described as an agent, in the way Theodora was; there are VFD members, who still try to combat villainy, and occasionally co-operate, but there doesn't seem to be a directed plan.
As for Q's knowing how to find Violet and to contact JS, that can be explained by Kit being with him at the time.
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Post by Foxy on Sept 21, 2019 12:53:59 GMT -5
Maybe Quigley seems more trained than his siblings because he was taken under Jacques' wing a little bit, and he did research in Dr. Montgomery's library. I think all three of the Quagmires were trained a little bit, like their private lessons they took, kind of like the Baudelaires were trained a little bit, like Violet in inventing and Klaus in reading.
I don't think Quigley is sinister.
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