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Post by tk on Jun 10, 2020 22:34:59 GMT -5
Hello everyone! It's 2020 and we're doing a re-watch of the Netflix series! gothicarchiesfan first brought it up, saying that we should do a re-watch of the Netflix series the way we usually do the re-read of the books. Some of us may have missed the opportunity to discuss the Netflix series when they first started streaming; or maybe some of us have started a re-watch of their own recently and have noticed some details that they didn't notice before and would like to point them out and discuss them further - so this is the place to do just that. I'm not sure how to go about this (whether to discuss the episodes in an in-depth manner like in the re-reads), but eh we'll just roll with it and see how it goes~ Needless to say, this thread will be full of spoilers. So yeah TBB part 1 lets goooooooo
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Post by tk on Jun 11, 2020 3:01:51 GMT -5
I guess I'll start off with something simple: the opening theme song(s). What are your thoughts on it? I think it's a smart way to recap what's happened in the previous episode - but I find myself skipping it most of the time. I'm not sure why, I guess I don't feel like sitting through a summary of the episode that I'm about to watch? Although that doesn't make much sense either, cuz it's not like it'll spoil the plot or anything - we've all read the books. So idk, I just tend to skip them lol Aesthetics-wise, I like the whole detective-vibe/connecting the dots theme going on. I remember the first time I watched it, I had to pause a few times especially whenever there's some texts visible on screen (but I never caught H ermes' quote until it was pointed out to me very recently!). Also at 0:14 (in the video above), is that a picture of young Violet or is it a picture of Beatrice Jr? I can't quite tell. EDIT: And of course, nice singing by NPH. I never realised he's singing in each of his character's voice before - I guess it's because I skip these intros.
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Jun 11, 2020 6:59:26 GMT -5
tk , if possible set a deadline for everyone to watch. I'm going to need a longer time, because I'm still working, and besides, my wife and I are watching another series right now (a Korean drama). I will need to watch the episodes in small parts on my cell phone on the way to work or on the way back. So, how about giving a week and a half for each episode, before going on to the next?)
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Post by gothicarchiesfan on Jun 11, 2020 11:03:04 GMT -5
While I am very flattered and thankful for this very kind gesture, I recommend that we hold off on beginning these until a few more of us are able to make space for them in our schedules. Why don't we begin it either this weekend or next week? If it's alright with you tk I'm going to create the other threads for this rewatch just so we have them already prepared ahead of time. :Edit: Here's what I recommend. 1) We officially start the rewatch on Monday. 2) We do the same thing as the rereads and have about a week in between every two episodes. 3) After we finish TWW, we take a slight detour and rewatch the movie. The same way we took detours for TUA and TBL. This would give us an opportunity to discuss the film and share our thoughts about how it compares to both the show and the books.
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Post by tk on Jun 11, 2020 18:31:24 GMT -5
I'm all right with all the suggestions so far.
So, rewatch starts on Monday for episode 1 and discussions last for a week before we start episode 2.
I'd like this rewatch to be pretty chill though, so I believe you don't necessarily have to start watching on Monday - as long as it's within that week, you could still jump in and discuss stuff whenever~
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Post by gothicarchiesfan on Jun 11, 2020 19:34:12 GMT -5
I'm all right with all the suggestions so far. So, rewatch starts on Monday for episode 1 and discussions last for a week before we start episode 2. I'd like this rewatch to be pretty chill though, so I believe you don't necessarily have to start watching on Monday - as long as it's within that week, you could still jump in and discuss stuff whenever~ Oh for sure, my recommendation was just that we begin the "7 days between episodes" period on Monday, so that people have a chance to catch up. Thanks for getting the ball rolling on this and for being so understanding. I'm looking forward to this. Hypothetical Schedule ?
June 15th to 21st: TBB June 22nd to 28th: TRR June 29th to July 5th: TWW July 6th to July 12th: The 2004 Movie July 13th to July 19th: TMM July 20th to July 26th: TAA July 27th to August 2nd: TEE August 3rd to August 9th: TVV August 10th to August 16th: THH August 17th to August 23rd: TCC August 24th to August 30th: TSS August 31st to September 6th: TGG September 7th to September 13th: TPP September 14th to September 20th: TE
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Jun 11, 2020 21:30:24 GMT -5
I see a winner of the best organizer being created here.
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Post by gothicarchiesfan on Jun 14, 2020 15:33:18 GMT -5
Also at 0:14 (in the video above), is that a picture of young Violet or is it a picture of Beatrice Jr? I can't quite tell. I think it's probably Violet since they filmed the intro about 2 years before they would have cast Beatrice Jr. It's crazy to imagine all that buildup and hype we had on here once the show was announced in 2014.
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Jun 14, 2020 20:19:51 GMT -5
I will write my impressions of the first episode. (I will not write down the times).
I think it's great that they added favelas referring to TBB the Rare Edition like the fact that Beatrice and Bertrand insisted that the Baudelaires go to the beach that day, which was something unusual. Using the principle of Chekov's Weapon, I deduce that the writers wanted to give meaning to that at some point in the series. I believe that the Baudelaires' parents were aware that something bad was going to happen. I have my theories in the universe of books, but I don't believe it's the same here in the series. I don't think Daniel Handler gave information about what went through his mind when he wrote about it. I am glad that Lemony Snicket in the series admits that he never found out what caused that fire. I was a little sad to realize that the house is connected to a network of tunnels, and not to a single tunnel, making the number of suspects very large. But the best thing for me is how it has become evident since the beginning of the series (and this has never been denied in the series) that Lemony Snicket is narrating events that have occurred many years in the past.
I think the introduction of Count Olaf involving the blue bird being captured by a black bird is very cool, showing how unhappiness is getting worse with the Count's arrival in history.
I found the scenery work for the Olaf mansion and the Baudelaire mansion very well done, although I think the Baudelaire mansion should be bigger. In the case of Count Olaf, it is possible to see exactly who the character is through the things we see in his house.
I didn't like how Klaus needed to talk about Olaf's tattoo right when they arrived in the room and were alone. This speech seemed unnecessary and unnatural and with an obvious reason to call attention to something that will be important later. Something like "please pay attention to this detail, people in the audience, and I will verbalize this because you will not understand it alone". This speech ended up sounding prejudiced, and generated the need for Violetg to correct the prejudice verbalized by Klaus. And seriously, from all that Klaus saw, why would he pay attention to the tattoo? It makes no sense. I would say something like: "Did you see how he is a filthy pig that is making us suffer on purpose?" or something like this. I would still be prejudiced against pigs. But it would be better than showing prejudice against tattooed people.
"Don't lose your toothbrushes because you are going to need them for your teeth." That sentence made me laugh. Olaf's personality (although different from the books) was shown in this episode in order to mark everyone's memory for the following episodes, which is great.
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Post by Dante on Jun 15, 2020 11:07:49 GMT -5
I have my theories in the universe of books, but I don't believe it's the same here in the series. I don't think Daniel Handler gave information about what went through his mind when he wrote about it. This seems likely, or at least possible. Apparently Daniel Handler never revealed, even to the writers, whether their sugar bowl solution was the same as the one in the books.
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Post by gothicarchiesfan on Jun 16, 2020 17:41:29 GMT -5
Some excellent directing in the first episode it must be said. The whole visual of Snicket narrating about losing a loved one while the Baudelaire Mansion burns down with Beatrice inside it was an inspired choice.
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Post by gothicarchiesfan on Jun 16, 2020 17:41:41 GMT -5
I think the introduction of Count Olaf involving the blue bird being captured by a black bird is very cool, showing how unhappiness is getting worse with the Count's arrival in history. For sure. I thought it was a very funny (and brutal) way to introduce Olaf to the audience.
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Jun 16, 2020 19:00:27 GMT -5
Justice Strauss' arrival at Count Olaf's house, where she talks about the poisonous plant ... I think it's cool to quote TBB the Rare Edition, but it would be even better if they did something with it. After all, they did a lot more than what is written in the books, so starting from something that actually exists in the books but is not well explored (it’s not explored at all) would be cool, I think. (If you are going to make a fanfic, do it first with things that exist and then with things that don't exist if you have time).
I thought it was really cool how the Justice Strauss scene failed to see children, despite trying to subtly portray how sometimes children who are abused are unable to have their reality observed by neighbors, even though the neighbors are good people. Child abuse is difficult to identify in time to prevent trauma.
I don't understand why so many people speak ill of Count Olaf's musical performances. It's The Count for me matched the tone of the series. It's a strangely cool song to portray Count Olaf not just as a villain, but as someone who really loves acting. I would even say that Count Olaf's genuine passion for the theater is better portrayed in the series than in the books. This even justifies why Lemony's bad review for the play starring Count Olaf changed everything in VFD, and marked the beginning of Olaf's Schism. Olaf was indeed offended by the bad criticism.
I loved the phrase: "Mom said that actors eat everything". Now I realized that Fernald, since his first scene with Sunny, already showed that he had some kind of affection for her. When Sunny said something about dessert, Fernald looked at her as if he understood and then translated what she said. Did he learn the language of babies from Fiona?
I remember the slap scene on Klaus's face in the movie. I think that because I wasn't expecting that, it shocked me a lot at the time. Here the slap was also unexpected and totally immoral. That's when Olaf's treatment starts to include physical aggression.
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Post by gothicarchiesfan on Jun 16, 2020 19:20:33 GMT -5
Unlike the second and third seasons, the first one actually featured quite a bit of location shooting, especially these first two episodes. The locations are definitely good but looking back, they don't always fit into the more stylized approach the sets took. Full credit to Bo Welch and his team, because those sets are pretty phenomenal, particularly on a tv budget and schedule. I was shocked to learn that the backyard, inside, and exterior of Olaf's mansion, along with the street outside and Justice Strauss' house were all built on the same soundstage.
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Post by FileneNGottlin on Jun 16, 2020 19:41:20 GMT -5
Is there a VFD manhole cover on the street in front of Olaf’s house?
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