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Post by Sixteen on Jul 14, 2005 8:08:22 GMT -5
I don't think this has been posted before.
I was re-reading TSS and trying to further decode the Verbal Fridge Dialogue addressed to JS.
-page244: "'What about the lemon juice?' Violet asked,' And the pickle?"
These are the two things Klaus couldn't decode.
-page284: "The Baudelaires would never do any of these things, any more than I will ever see my beloved Beatrice again, or retreive my pickle from the refrigerator in which I left it, and return it to its rightful place in an important coded sandwich."
If we assume these are the same refrigerators, then the pickle wasn't meant to be there. But the lemon juice could be code for the person who left the message. Lemon juice-- Lemony. Each volunteer could have a food to use as their name. What do you think?
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Post by Dante on Jul 14, 2005 8:19:23 GMT -5
The lemon juice = Lemony part sounds familiar... But it must have been long ago. I expect it's been locked for age. I agree that each volunteer (or certain ones) may well have a food to represent them.
So, what's happening here? I'm going to try and draw some conclusions not directly related to your idea for the thread.
Lemony left a partially completed Verbal Fridge Dialogue message for a "JS" which he was forced to abandon, for some reason, part-way through. Have I got that right?
Therefore, we can assume that the JS Lemony was trying to contact doesn't know that there is a V.F.D. meeting on Thursday at Hotel Denouement. That information would belong in the JS thread. Remember, the identity of JS is not to be discussed in this particular thread.
As for the coded sandwich, and the pickle, I don't think we have any chance of guessing what those are for, or what they mean, as it could be pretty much anything.
However, one would have thought Lemony too busy for a long time to return to the Valley of Four Drafts and set up that message, unless somebody else did it on his behalf (maybe he sent them a Volunteer Factual Dispatch, or sent a carrier crow). That might explain why it was unfinished.
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Post by A. the Returned on Jul 14, 2005 8:20:31 GMT -5
It sounds like a logical theory. Lemon juice=Lemony. I alwasys suspected it was him as he mentions his pickle but this could help back it up. There's only two questions left, Why did he leave his pickle behind? Was it accidental ot did it have a meaning as well?
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Post by Sixteen on Jul 14, 2005 8:22:22 GMT -5
No, I think the pickle was there accidentally. It was meant to be in a coded sandwich.
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Post by Antenora on Jul 14, 2005 9:39:11 GMT -5
I recall noting the "lemon juice=Lemony" connection. I also suspected that the pickle represented Kit Snicket, if its jar was labeled "K" for "Kosher". In a coded sandwich, it could still represent her.
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Post by jcgsebald on Jul 17, 2005 14:38:30 GMT -5
I recall noting the "lemon juice=Lemony" connection. I also suspected that the pickle represented Kit Snicket, if its jar was labeled "K" for "Kosher". In a coded sandwich, it could still represent her. Maybe I don't know.
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Post by s on Jul 17, 2005 18:48:23 GMT -5
Maybe you don't know what? That idea is, I suppose, plausible, but it seems a little farfetched. The pickles represent Kit simply because they might have had a K on them which stood for kosher? I don't know whether I support the whole food-representing-people theory, although the whole lemon juice - lemony snicket connection is apparent.
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Post by Dear Dairy on Jul 18, 2005 17:53:28 GMT -5
The fact that Klaus was unable to decode two items (only one of which was discounted as part of a different message) indicates to me that the lemon juice could have been an important component of the message that Klaus DID decode. In other words, the presence of an extra item makes me wonder if his interpretation of the message could be wrong.
Which brings to mind the quote from The Nameless Novel.com: "We thought that we had solved the VFD mystery, but we were wrong."
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Post by Dante on Jul 19, 2005 4:41:43 GMT -5
Klaus interpreted the message as meaning that there was a V.F.D. meeting on Thursday at the last safe place, I thought? Widdershins believed the same thing, and he didn't get the message from Verbal Fridge Dialogue (presumably; in theory, he could have, but one would have thought he'd have mentioned it). I shouldn't say that Klaus's interpretation was wrong, but certainly, I should think that it was incomplete.
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Post by Antenora on Jul 19, 2005 6:19:39 GMT -5
Klaus' interpretation was probably incomplete, although he seems to have been correct about the meeting. The lemon juice could mean "Lemony Snicket created this message" or "Lemony Snicket will be there". The pickle=Kit Snicket thing was a bit of a stretch, but then again the pickle may be completely irrelevant to the message. Which brings to mind the quote from The Nameless Novel.com: "We thought that we had solved the VFD mystery, but we were wrong." I just realised: That's a somewhat ambiguous phrase. It could either mean "We haven't solved the mystery" or "The solution we've discovered is incorrect".
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