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Jul 9, 2007 6:34:33 GMT -5
Post by Sixteen on Jul 9, 2007 6:34:33 GMT -5
Since Voldemort is no longer truly human, destroying the Horcruxes may not be considered as killing him.
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Jul 9, 2007 19:14:58 GMT -5
Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Jul 9, 2007 19:14:58 GMT -5
I think we were referring to Harry killing that last bit of Voldemort's soul still in his body after he wipes out the horcruxes.
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Jul 9, 2007 21:48:26 GMT -5
Post by Artemis on Jul 9, 2007 21:48:26 GMT -5
Um, I'm sorry, but has anyone here actually read the last two books? There is sound reasoning for why Harry can't just kill Voldemort with muggle weapons or otherwise. For one thing, he fist has to destroy at leas four horcruxes. Anyway most non-magical technology does not work with magic around. And, apart from everything else, does anyone really think that Voldemort would have any more trouble fighting a weapon than a wand? Personally, I would much rather face him with a magical weapon.
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Jul 10, 2007 6:47:32 GMT -5
Post by Sixteen on Jul 10, 2007 6:47:32 GMT -5
I think we were referring to Harry killing that last bit of Voldemort's soul still in his body after he wipes out the horcruxes. Yeah, so was I. I mean that since his soul has been voluntarily ripped to shreds then it's not a sin to destroy that soul.
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Jul 10, 2007 7:05:23 GMT -5
Post by PJ on Jul 10, 2007 7:05:23 GMT -5
Um, I'm sorry, but has anyone here actually read the last two books? There is sound reasoning for why Harry can't just kill Voldemort with muggle weapons or otherwise. For one thing, he fist has to destroy at leas four horcruxes. Anyway most non-magical technology does not work with magic around. And, apart from everything else, does anyone really think that Voldemort would have any more trouble fighting a weapon than a wand? Personally, I would much rather face him with a magical weapon. Well, electricity goes haywire around magic. But most weapons use gunpowder, so a machine gun wouldn't screw up. Secondly, the Daily Prophet referred to guns as "a sort of metal wand", indicating that wizards don't know much about guns on a whole. And thirdly, the spells Harry uses can easily be blocked. And he can only fire on spell at a time, after using an incantation. If he randomly pulled out an AK-47 and let loose, I doubt his enemies would be able to do much to stop him. After the first bit of fire, they could probably set up some sort of magical defenses that block out solid matter, but hey, you've still got that initial blast. That said, Harry isn't liable to use guns. He's not a murderer. At least, not yet.
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Jul 10, 2007 10:31:18 GMT -5
Post by Dear Dairy on Jul 10, 2007 10:31:18 GMT -5
I think we were referring to Harry killing that last bit of Voldemort's soul still in his body after he wipes out the horcruxes. Yeah, so was I. I mean that since his soul has been voluntarily ripped to shreds then it's not a sin to destroy that soul. Not a sin? Wow. I'm going to have to think about that one. That's deep, really. Is a damaged soul no longer a true soul? Hm. Good one, sixteen -- one more thing to consider. If what you say is true, then my concerns about Harry's soul (for killing L.V.) would be unfounded.
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Jul 12, 2007 13:52:03 GMT -5
Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Jul 12, 2007 13:52:03 GMT -5
That's a good point. Voldemort's soul isn't like other souls. I was thinking on the same lines with guns, they'd be able to stop them but only after the initial shot.
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Jul 12, 2007 19:29:50 GMT -5
Post by Liz Hollow on Jul 12, 2007 19:29:50 GMT -5
Hold on a second! I just realized something! This is somewhat off topic, but oh well! I believe it was asked before. Or maybe it was somewhere else--I can't keep track of these things!
Harry already killed someone. He killed Professor Quirrel in his first year, didn't he? So, wouldn't his soul already be damaged?
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Jul 12, 2007 19:45:48 GMT -5
Post by sunnygal on Jul 12, 2007 19:45:48 GMT -5
he also killed the basilisk but that's an animal... but yeah i guess his soul would be damaged. he killed him on purpose correct? and to the thing with guns, Voldemort probably knows what they are and what they do considering he grew up with Muggles.
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Jul 12, 2007 20:03:28 GMT -5
Post by i. on Jul 12, 2007 20:03:28 GMT -5
Harry did not kill Quirrel, he may have injured him severely, but Quirrel died when Voldemort ceased possessing him, see GoF, page 654 in the American editions, “’The servant died when I left his body, and I was left as weak as ever I had been,’ Voldemort continued.”
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Jul 12, 2007 21:18:02 GMT -5
Post by ineedyourhelp on Jul 12, 2007 21:18:02 GMT -5
I do not think guns will be used in DH.
But, since Harry and Voldemort can't fight each other with their wands, what if they had to use guns?
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Jul 13, 2007 10:23:03 GMT -5
Post by Liz Hollow on Jul 13, 2007 10:23:03 GMT -5
Harry did not kill Quirrel, he may have injured him severely, but Quirrel died when Voldemort ceased possessing him, see GoF, page 654 in the American editions, “’The servant died when I left his body, and I was left as weak as ever I had been,’ Voldemort continued.” Oh. All right, then. I lied.
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Jul 14, 2007 20:34:15 GMT -5
Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Jul 14, 2007 20:34:15 GMT -5
I never thought that Harry killed Quirrell but even if he did it was obviously in more than self defense because if Quirrell were still around voldemort would have the sorcerer's stone.
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Jul 14, 2007 23:22:39 GMT -5
Post by Dear Dairy on Jul 14, 2007 23:22:39 GMT -5
I thought it was more that Quirrell was trying to kill Harry, but was unable to because of the Voldemort-resistant mother's love thing (which had more to do with Voldemort than Quirrell). If anything, Voldemort was more responsible for Quirrell's death than Harry. If Harry could be said to have killed him at all, it was entirely unintentional.
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Jul 16, 2007 21:13:57 GMT -5
Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Jul 16, 2007 21:13:57 GMT -5
Exactly. I came up with another query: Harry tells Dumbledore point blank that Malfoy is celebrating in the Room of Requirement. Dumbledore's got guards sure, but is the horcrux which has been lying in the cave for years so urgent that he can't check out the room for a bit?
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