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Post by chabo on Feb 1, 2005 4:34:49 GMT -5
if there is a passage way from each vfd member house going to a safe place you would all say that esme used to be good so that is why the baud passage leads to emses house but! esme said that she had only movied in afew weeks ago so there for so could not have been a member of vfd unless there is a different story behind her.
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Post by A. the Returned on Feb 1, 2005 4:43:47 GMT -5
Esme only just married Jerome and thanks to a letter inn LSUA pg 123 i now believe it was while Count Olaf was disguised as Shirley but after the accident. Neway the passageway was for the story above the penthouse. That is the reason Jacques begged Jerome to buy it and never ever sell it
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Post by PJ on Feb 1, 2005 6:14:16 GMT -5
Esme only just married Jerome and thanks to a letter inn LSUA pg 123 i now believe it was while Count Olaf was disguised as Shirley but after the accident. Neway the passageway was for the story above the penthouse. That is the reason Jacques begged Jerome to buy it and never ever sell it I see a flaw with that. Jacques says that the schism was recently. I always believed it was ages ago. I believe that the accident at the Mill was not Dr. Orwell, but some other poor soul a while ago. |
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Post by A. the Returned on Feb 1, 2005 6:19:58 GMT -5
but he also talks about a detective who spilled ink on his jacket but claimed it was coffee and in chapter 7 there are two articles one that blames Count Olaf and one solved by a detective who spilled ink on himslef but said it was coffee. These articles were probably grouped together because they were about the same accident. Also it says that the schism was caused by an O who prefers to be called S at the moment presumably Shirley.
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Post by PJ on Feb 6, 2005 4:57:39 GMT -5
True, but S could also mean Stephano, Captain Sham or another false name that we have not yet encountered. Besides, the cofee jacket thing proves nothing. It is interesting nonetheless. It makes me wonder how recent the schism occured....
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Post by Violet on Feb 14, 2005 22:21:24 GMT -5
Didn't it say in one of the books that it was a while ago??
I assumed that the passageways connected. I think the whole point of the passageways was so V.F.D. members could get to meetings safely, so it would make sense the passageways were connected.
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Post by volunteer23 on Feb 21, 2005 14:51:08 GMT -5
I think 667 Dark Avenue is really a safe place. The Baudelaire mansion led there (safe place). The Quagmire mansion and Uncle Monty's house led to Valley of Four Drafts.
One must also wonder what Jaques Snicket was doing in Village of Fowl Devotees, perhaps his house led to VFD but it turned out to be a schism town so they burned him @ stake because they didn't like him?
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Post by Dante on Feb 21, 2005 14:55:54 GMT -5
I think 667 Dark Avenue is really a safe place. The Baudelaire mansion led there (safe place). The Quagmire mansion and Uncle Monty's house led to Valley of Four Drafts. They did? Or is this just your hypothesis? The Village of Fowl Devotees is in no way officially associated with V.F.D., although it may well have volunteers and volunteer crows there. I imagine that Jacques Snicket was there to try and find the Baudelaires and give them some important information. |
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Post by Ennui on Feb 21, 2005 15:04:17 GMT -5
The Village of Fowl Devotees reeks of VFD, Dante. It was founded ages ago, but then again, I believe VFD was too. It would be just like them to build a Poe orientated scene of horror! I expect Montresor was born and bred there...oops, help, a tangent is dragging me away...
And PJ-could "recent schism" be a relative term? Rather like calling the Second World War "recent" in the context of world history?
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Post by PJ on Feb 22, 2005 2:00:12 GMT -5
And PJ-could "recent schism" be a relative term? Rather like calling the Second World War "recent" in the context of world history? Interesting, I hadn't thought of that... But it is historians who say that WWII was recent, whilst Jacques isn't really a historian. Besides, he experienced the schism, so it would seem a long time ago if it was 20 years, whilst most Historians haven't witnessed WWII. What i'm trying to say is that Historians call this century new, cos they are comparing it with long gone centuries. Jacques isn't really....but then again, how long ago was VFD founded? Meh. Is there an actual text that says; "Schism occured long ago"? Cos if not, then there is no information against it. Oh wait, the whole Beatrice/Newspaper thing was done 15 years ago, probably at the start of the schism, cos Beatrice wasn't warned that Olaf might infiltrate the DP and write bad things about Lemony... |
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Post by Violet on Feb 22, 2005 12:10:38 GMT -5
In TSS, Count Olaf says (paraphrasing): "During the schism?? That was a long time ago!"
I think it's when they're talking about the infant slave-the schism was at least long ago for an infant to grow up. So, at least 15 years ago.
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Post by Dante on Feb 22, 2005 12:20:01 GMT -5
15 years ago seems a safe bet. I remember swans worked it out once, and it would have been around that figure.
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Post by PJ on Feb 22, 2005 16:36:14 GMT -5
We will just blame Jacques' comment on the twisted time frame.
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Post by RockSunner on Feb 22, 2005 22:54:45 GMT -5
I agree that "recent" is a relative term. I allow about 30 years in my timeline.
On the secret passages, did you remember that Lemony has a map of all the secret passages in the city? The Duchess also had a map on her napkins. It's probably a standard-issue V.F.D. item, though Lemony has added many notes on his from his research.
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Post by Dante on Feb 23, 2005 11:52:22 GMT -5
On the secret passages, did you remember that Lemony has a map of all the secret passages in the city? The Duchess also had a map on her napkins. It's probably a standard-issue V.F.D. item, though Lemony has added many notes on his from his research. Yep, the very same map, although the one on the napkins probably didn't have the many annotations from previous owners. But then again, the napkin Lemony received didn't have the map on it... |
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