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Post by brenton on Apr 21, 2005 2:36:39 GMT -5
I have read TRR once again but this time i have been much more crucial and i am going to list and discuss on anything i think could be part of a clue or of any significance.
Before i begin anything i must state what i believe i noticed the most, that is that i have possibly narrowed down where the baudelaire's lived and also what time frame.
I find it queasy that Montgomery was out of the house when a guest, 'Stephano' was arriving in his home, most people's common sense doesnt allow them to leave their children home alone when someone that they hardly know is arriving.
Another intrugiuing thing is the lamp falling out of a window on montgomery, but according to the picture at the very begginning there is no indicating of a window that connects to the Reptile Room.
The Vessel on page.91, the begginning of Chapter 7 shows a picture of an old-fashioned ship with a carving of Shaekspeare on the very front, this suggests to me that this ship existed some time in the time of shaekspeare himself, this also suggests to me that the story takes place in 1800(or earlier)-the very early 1900's, but the jeep just confuses it all, as jeep's did not exist back in the early 1900's .... so what is going on, is Handler deliberately placing the jeep within the story-line to try and trick us?
Uncle Monty's jeep i find a big problem, because we say that the story is set between 1800-early 1900's, which makes it hard because i am entirely sure jeeps did not exist even in the early 1900's.
So what time and country were the baudelaires home to? Im sorry this theory/collection of thoughts is very tacky its the very first go ive had at this, i have probably missed a lot because im very distracted at the moment but i hope ive touched on soem important topics.
Post your thoughts and ideas.... ::
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Post by PJ on Apr 21, 2005 2:48:48 GMT -5
1. This should go in the Trouble Begins
2. I believe the window was on the second floor, the one in Klaus's room.
3. Just because Shakespeare was on it, means absolutely nothing at all. The carving could have been done at any time.
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Post by A. the Returned on Apr 21, 2005 3:01:06 GMT -5
There is a weird connection with windows through out the series.
TBB-Sunny hang outside the Tower Window
TRR-The lamp 'fell' out the window.
TWW-any more explanation needed?
TMM-Count olaf escapes out the Window
TAA-Miss Tench old Gym teacher fell out the 3rd story window.
Very negative experiences with windows.
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Post by brenton on Apr 21, 2005 3:15:01 GMT -5
1. This should go in the Trouble Begins 2. I believe the window was on the second floor, the one in Klaus's room. 3. Just because Shakespeare was on it, means absolutely nothing at all. The carving could have been done at any time. Yes but i am also running with the style and design of the entrie vessel, do you see many if any looking like that nowdays?? and the reason i didnt put it in the trouble begins is because it says, 'Post theories here'. True, i have TWW window on my desk now  .... |
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Post by PJ on Apr 21, 2005 4:02:23 GMT -5
Yes but i am also running with the style and design of the entrie vessel, do you see many if any looking like that nowdays?? and the reason i didnt put it in the trouble begins is because it says, 'Post theories here'. Well, as I've always said, it's a hell of a lot easier to have an old ship in new times, rather than a new ship in old times. The simple fact that the jeep exists (and the advanced computer) means that asoue takes place roughly in the last thirty or so years. By that it means post theories about the WHOLE series here. Theories that take place over one book, like this one, go into the specific sections, whilst big ones, like the theory about Beatrice being the Baudeblaire mother, which have bits of all books in them, go in Sardonic Series. But yeah, they are slightly unclear. |
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Post by Dante on Apr 21, 2005 5:07:29 GMT -5
Theories about the time period in which the story is set go in Perilous Places. Your other questions still stand.
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Post by Ennui on Apr 21, 2005 7:19:59 GMT -5
I do find Monty's naivete very puzzling, but I think this is part of the discrepancy between the earlier and later books. Of late we are seeing Monty through the experience of Quigley as a "keeper of secrets", the guardian of a crucial library, almost a "magician" figure. But Monty as we knew him was a jolly little man with no idea how to protect his own vitally important home. It almost makes you wonder whether, joking aside, Uncle Monty and Dr Montgomery were different. Notice that Movie!Monty is a far more guarded, secretive character, fitting the later books better.
But in the end, I don't find these personas irreconcilable. Monty was a brilliant scientist and researcher. But at the same time he was happy-go-lucky and scatterbrained. As a neophyte, he didn't bother to learn the Sebald Code. He never got round to marrying. And he didn't protect the Baudelaires as he should have done-or himself. It all adds depth from a character who is at first sight simple.
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Post by brenton on Apr 21, 2005 23:09:01 GMT -5
Ambui your making a lot of sense  .... i thought that monty was ofcourse much more secretive in the movie compared to the reptile room, but on thing that really annoyed me was that count olaf's disguise looked completely different compared to the one in the book! ... oops i think im going off-topic o.O |
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Post by Antenora on Apr 22, 2005 4:56:29 GMT -5
In both the books and the movie, Monty's a very interesting and complex character. He seems jolly and absent-minded, but is really a keeper of secrets. And I agree that they reworked him a bit in the movie, making him more secretive.
And it was a second-story window in Klaus' bedroom. Monty gave him the lamp to read by.
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Post by brenton on Apr 22, 2005 14:55:26 GMT -5
In both the books and the movie, Monty's a very interesting and complex character. He seems jolly and absent-minded, but is really a keeper of secrets. And I agree that they reworked him a bit in the movie, making him more secretive. And it was a second-story window in Klaus' bedroom. Monty gave him the lamp to read by. Thankyou antenora the window in kalus's bedroom was unclear for me. |
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Post by Shelly on Apr 26, 2005 20:33:01 GMT -5
Nah, i think it was the present at the time the story took place because the lamp fell on Uncle Monty when he was OUTSIDE talking to the Baudelaires.
And the ship wouldn't have made any difference to the timing the ship was probably used for decades in service of VFD!
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Post by brenton on Apr 29, 2005 1:14:20 GMT -5
In service of VFD? i think your thoughts are going way too deep there, i really dont think it would have been of service to VFD!  |
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Post by Ennui on Apr 29, 2005 5:38:48 GMT -5
You're either exceptionally thick or haven't read the LSUA. If it's the former, read the LSUA again. Properly. It's made absolutely clear that the Prospero is rather more than a quaint holiday cruiser.
EDIT: 1666th post. London's burning, London's burning...
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Post by hookhandedgirl on Jun 8, 2005 10:19:27 GMT -5
my parents stay when someone they don't know well is coming.
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Post by SF on Jun 9, 2005 11:07:28 GMT -5
In reply to the question of where the Baudelaire's lives takes place... we can eliminate South America, because in TWW they were going to sail to Peru. Also we can eliminate Africa, because in one of the books (cant remember which) Klaus asks something like "we have to go to AFRICA?" Antarctica is eliminated (if you don't know why, may God help you). So it leaves us with either Australia, North America, Asia, or Europe.... (any evidence to prove one of these wrong is welcome)
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