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Post by QuagmireFan on Jan 8, 2005 15:46:19 GMT -5
We noticed it, didn't we?
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Post by Dante on Jan 8, 2005 15:48:23 GMT -5
We noticed it, didn't we? And we're mature enough to know that those are just his personal opinions, put in to jazz things up a little.
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Post by Antenora on Jan 8, 2005 16:36:12 GMT -5
And we're mature enough to know that those are just his personal opinions, put in to jazz things up a little. We're also mature enough to think for ourselves; at least I think I am(and a lot of people here are). While my parents are very liberal, they tell me that I'm don't always have to agree with them--and sometimes I don't. I don't think they force their views on me.
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Post by Luigi on Jan 8, 2005 18:02:42 GMT -5
We noticed it, didn't we? I'd like to say there's a difference betwseen the mentality of a 6-year old and you, but from what I see of you, there really isn't.
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Post by Libitina on Jan 8, 2005 18:31:58 GMT -5
Wow, this thread has become quite intense. To clear things up: There are two of us under this name (Sorry about the confusion). Regarding the "other vehicles" quote: One political allusion is the unnecessary political-correctness referring to the many different gods. In Book the Tenth, a quote reads: "A daring life of impulsive passion [might] only [lead] to something else [other than tragedy]." p. 148 As Mr. Handler explained the quote, he mentioned the biblical story of Adam and Eve, in which they were sent away from the Garden of Eden by God after disobeying Him. Book the Tenth, however, suggests that Mr. Handler feels the benefits of being sent away from the Garden of Eden may have outweighed the benefits of staying there. "[The daring life of impulsive passion lead by Adam and Eve] lead them to . . . leave the snake-infested garden . . ."
This topic branches into far-reaching areas other than the politics of the Left and Right. A child reading such questionable material might question that which his parents have taught him. Most children reading ASOUE are fairly advanced, and will pick up on Mr. Handler's satire.
In the case of Shakespeare's works, his satirizations were understood by the people of his time, but are now overlooked due to the flowery language.
All we are trying to say is that in a society in which the idealogy of the Left is so prevalent, and people are so impressionable, there must be some safe havens, and we should look to Lemony Snicket for that. Sorry if we've ignited a big fire (no pun intended).
We're only kids, not politically crazed adults.
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Post by Luigi on Jan 8, 2005 19:03:42 GMT -5
Wow, this thread has become quite intense. To clear things up: There are two of us under this name (Sorry about the confusion). Regarding the "other vehicles" quote: One political allusion is the unnecessary political-correctness referring to the many different gods. In Book the Tenth, a quote reads: "A daring life of impulsive passion [might] only [lead] to something else [other than tragedy]." p. 148 As Mr. Handler explained the quote, he mentioned the biblical story of Adam and Eve, in which they were sent away from the Garden of Eden by God after disobeying Him. Book the Tenth, however, suggests that Mr. Handler feels the benefits of being sent away from the Garden of Eden may have outweighed the benefits of staying there. "[The daring life of impulsive passion lead by Adam and Eve] lead them to . . . leave the snake-infested garden . . ." This topic branches into far-reaching areas other than the politics of the Left and Right. A child reading such questionable material might question that which his parents have taught him. Most children reading ASOUE are fairly advanced, and will pick up on Mr. Handler's satire. In the case of Shakespeare's works, his satirizations were understood by the people of his time, but are now overlooked due to the flowery language. All we are trying to say is that in a society in which the idealogy of the Left is so prevalent, and people are so impressionable, there must be some safe havens, and we should look to Lemony Snicket for that. Sorry if we've ignited a big fire (no pun intended). We're only kids, not politically crazed adults. So, you should not be able to insert little left-wing jokes in fear it might corrupt the ickle youth and destroy their tiny impressionable little minds? Should we childproof EVERYTHING and adults should not be allowed to make little jokies or discuss politics when there are little kiddies in the near vicinty? Tell me, should ALL subtle adult hhumor be taken out of kids showsx? For example, in Animaniacs, a squirell says "Even my nuts are freezing," and then someone else says, "Be careful with that last verse." And I can go on aboutsubliminal adult humopr in kids shows because a, I caught them abd b, I have a supberb mwemory for quotes. But if I didn't catch the subtle adult humor, I would ignore it. Like it wasn't even there. It didn't corrupt me.I only got the jokes in the first place because of my two older brothers and male best friend/neighbor. Now, sheltering kids from political satire, especially such a minorlitte joke, is stupid. And it's bad because it might make a children *gaps0r* QWUESTION WHAT THEIR PARENTS BRAINWASHED THEM TO THINK?! Because, of course, parentsw are always right asnd kids should not question or form their own opinion about anything.
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Post by Antenora on Jan 8, 2005 19:12:41 GMT -5
Wow, this thread has become quite intense. To clear things up: There are two of us under this name (Sorry about the confusion). Regarding the "other vehicles" quote: One political allusion is the unnecessary political-correctness referring to the many different gods. Are you referring to the scenes where Mr. Poe and Cap'n Widdershins cry out not only "God!" but the names of many other divinities as well? I found those pretty funny, and not at all offensive, and I wonder why you seem to object to the references to many different gods. Are you against political correctness? Still, I'm not entirely sure what Handler was implying in those lines. Is that entirely a bad thing? If people never questioned what their parents, teachers, etc taught them, society would never progress and we'd still be stuck in the dark ages. (Or perhaps the stone age) And shouldn't great literature inspire people to question what they've been taught and what they believe? Also, you never told me what you think of Liberals Under My Bed. I can find a link to the entire text someplace. Edit: Here, found it.Here's something to think about: Would you approve of Handler's so-called propaganda if the Sunnyspeak term for "evil man with no concern whatsoever for other people" was, say.... Kerrwards?
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Post by Libitina on Jan 8, 2005 19:39:25 GMT -5
Why a forty-two year old woman is trying to get the last word in (not to mention blowing this thing out of proportion) is quite puzzling . . .
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Post by Luigi on Jan 8, 2005 19:53:53 GMT -5
Why a forty-two year old woman is trying to get the last word in (not to mention blowing this thing out of proportion) is quite puzzling . . . First of all, 42 year olds are allowed to talk, and sxecond of all, I'm not 42, I'm 13, but 42 is an homage to h2g2. Now since you know I'm not 42, can you please respond to what I said? And I don't believe I'm the one blwong this out of proportion. But a whiny little x-year old who cries and kvethces about a tiny little political joke IS. Now, I challenge you to a duel. Respodn to what Antenora and I said.
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Post by Libitina on Jan 8, 2005 21:05:12 GMT -5
I want this thread to end. This is out of control; we never meant to stir up all this bologna and many of the people who have replied seem to have some issues.
P.S. Please keep it clean. Girls swearing is never appealing. P.P.S. We respect your opinions. For a thirteen-year-old (even though her profile suggested that she was forty-two), Tsunami is very eloquent and well-versed. I'm sure you have a bright future in something, but you need to learn that if someone makes a statement, they are not doing it to begin a fight. And Antenora: we have convictions just like you, but we're Right (Get it?) P.P.S. We have responded to all of your comments/rage. QuagmireFan: We seem to think alike, so stay in touch!
God Bless you all and God Bless America. Thank you for your patriotism.
Conservatively yours, OrangeyTwixet
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Post by Luigi on Jan 8, 2005 21:31:14 GMT -5
Well, sorry if I made it get too out of hand, but you know what they say: never discuss politics or religion unl;ess you're ready for an argument.
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Post by The Wicker Man on Jan 9, 2005 3:59:35 GMT -5
All we are trying to say is that in a society in which the idealogy of the Left is so prevalent, and people are so impressionable, there must be some safe havens, and we should look to Lemony Snicket for that. And personally, I think it's a mistake to look to Daniel Handler in particular as that "safe haven", and it's an unfair responsibility to lay at his feet. I will simply leave it at that. Antenora and Tsunami have said everything that I could have added.
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Post by Antenora on Jan 9, 2005 9:03:07 GMT -5
P.P.S. We have responded to all of your comments/rage. You never told me what you thought about... Or answered this: Are you referring to the scenes where Mr. Poe and Cap'n Widdershins cry out not only "God!" but the names of many other divinities as well? I found those pretty funny, and not at all offensive, and I wonder why you seem to object to the references to many different gods. Are you against political correctness? Still, I'm not entirely sure what Handler was implying in those lines. (I'd also welcome any theories about any purpose on Handler's part behind those lines. I've generally assumed that he was just being wacky.) Yes, I do respect your opinions, but you should back up your arguments and explain your points further.
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Post by Libitina on Jan 9, 2005 11:25:41 GMT -5
Ok this is it-- I've never heard of the book, but I would imagine that it is in sync with many of our convictions. However, that is most definitely targeted towards adults, rather than children. If Handler is going to put out children's books, it his his responsibility to make sure that they are suitable. Finally, we have responded to all of you comments/rage and backed up our points well. It's unfortunate that som of us suffer from selective blindness . . . Fare thee well. End of story. . . .
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Post by QuagmireFan on Jan 9, 2005 15:35:01 GMT -5
I'd like to say there's a difference betwseen the mentality of a 6-year old and you, but from what I see of you, there really isn't. I deeply resent that. And I did notice we seem to think alike, orangey.
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