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Post by Becca on Aug 21, 2013 8:56:38 GMT -5
just wondering, does anyone know what the letters spell?
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Post by Kit's tits kick ticks on Aug 21, 2013 9:25:34 GMT -5
I would post more if I had enough time to think of anything which means about 1 chapter every month, but then we would still be here in a few years.
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Post by Hermes on Aug 21, 2013 11:15:48 GMT -5
Oh, apologies, my laptop is slowly getting worse and worse. 13. What if you cannot awnser my questions? Thanks, but I'm still not sure I understand. The fact that the answer is in quotes suggests that the question might be something like 'What would you say if I asked...?', but I can't think what. Well, I'm trying to be vague. Obviously we can't tell in exactly what way L's account differs from the Baudelaires' - whole new adventures is indeed rather improbable (though useful for fanfic). But here's an example: it's well known that Monty and Josephine's reactions are rather hard to explain if they already know Olaf through VFD. Perhaps Lemony has altered the details of those stories a little because he wanted, at this early stage in his investigation, to keep VFD secret. Ah, that is a question. B at one point mentions the letters of Lemony's initials, as if they could be made part of an anagram or something; but no one has quite worked out how. Now the anagram. Yes, Becca, people have worked out what the letters spell - start by thinking of the name of the book. And as Mister M says, the poster does rather give it away. Or at least it gives away one answer. Some lines in the letter to the editor suggest there may be more than one. I'd be interested to know what Mister M thinks of that, which is another ongoing topic of dispute between Snicketologists.
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Post by Lucas on Aug 22, 2013 1:10:57 GMT -5
just wondering, does anyone know what the letters spell? It spells, Beatrice Sank Something!!!
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Post by Isadora Is a Door on Aug 22, 2013 1:17:40 GMT -5
Brake in case T Edit : Or maybe Break Tin Case ! Is there a secret tin case somewhere, contanin lsot iformation vital to the plot! We must find it
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Post by Dante on Aug 24, 2013 15:39:22 GMT -5
BEAR A SNICKET and A SNICKET BRAE used to get mentioned a lot. They're not irrelevant, but I think they are red herrings - I think the anagram's solution, and indeed the introduction of the word "brae" in the first place, was intended to produce numerous false solutions. The actual production of TBL, of course, makes obvious a lot of what would otherwise have been hidden - the hidden letters themselves, for one thing, but also the hidden message to the letters. ARHH Stupid auto-correct. I simply meant THE BEATRICE ETTER, as in, markin out the LS. It's there to show Lemony's initials missing, and not missing in the same way the other letters can be removed, but already excerpted, unuseable, in the same way that Lemony was unable, ultimately, to sign his name to his final letter. I can't access my copy of TBL at the moment, but this is relevant in the final letter, as I recall it - I think Snicket was concerned that he himself might disappear into the mists of time.
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Post by Hermes on Aug 25, 2013 15:58:48 GMT -5
Just to clarify, my own favoured solution for the second anagram is CASKET IN BRAE, which would fit the other side of the poster (though A SNICKET BRAE or A BRAE SNICKET would also do so). The box shown there might be the casket (in the traditional sense of a small box, as for jewels). On the other hand the box, which if I remember rightly is made of metal, might be called a tin case, I guess. But it would be sad if BRAE, of which so much is made, did not figure in an anagram.
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Post by Kit's tits kick ticks on Aug 25, 2013 16:04:50 GMT -5
Maybe there is a tin case in the casket in the brae? Or a casket in the tin case?
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Post by Hermes on Aug 28, 2013 15:32:30 GMT -5
Oh yes, I was going to comment on the timeline. Here is a kind of map in my min 0-10 - Childhood recruitment into vfd 11-20 - ATWQ, Mets Beatrice, becomes official volunteer Yes, but if he met Beatrice when he was 11, this must come before ATWQ, which starts when he is 12. Given his reaction to Ellington, though, they don't seem to be in a relationship yet. I generally make him younger, but that could be. I think you're giving far too much time for the 'future' part of TBL. Beatrice is ten when she meets him. If her search for him takes ten years, she must be a newborn child when she first contacts him. I'd give the events of TBL about three years - one year for the trip to the mountains, one for the school, and one for the various random things which happened in between. So, it starts about the seven years after the end of ASOUE, and ends about ten years after, making L about fifty, if he was forty when ASOUE happened. I agree that chapter 14 was written after he met Beatrice. Yes, there's clearly a long gap between his meeting B and the final letter to the editor - in the middle of which is an event when he read the sonnet in a glass case (i.e. he was in a glass case). He seems still to be alive now.
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Post by bandit on Aug 28, 2013 21:25:00 GMT -5
I generally make him younger, but that could be. Well if Beatrice and Lemony are the same age, that would mean she had Violet at 26. Anything too much younger seems a little unreasonable.
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Post by Dante on Aug 29, 2013 2:22:02 GMT -5
He seems still to be alive now. TBL, or at least the end of TBL, could be written in-universe after ATWQ's been written. The events it describes takes place after a considerable timeskip from the rest of the series, so for the time of writing to be similarly adjusted seems hardly unreasonable, if someone wants to interpret the end of TBL as the end of Lemony's life.
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Post by Isadora Is a Door on Aug 29, 2013 4:31:03 GMT -5
My timeline was jsut a rough estimation, and i agree with your thoughts, hermes.
THE END
Apologies for this starting later tha planned... But once we have read this, we can fit in ?1 perfectly in time for ?2!
Chapter One
Its interesting how the ex libris pae has a undisguised olaf, eve though he is disuised in the book at some point.
How can a piece of paper work as nameplate for a boat constantly surrounded by water?
170 chapters - gives away the surprise of the fourteenth chapter somewhat!
it was the Baudelaires, not Olaf, who had burned down the Hotel Denouement - Erm, no
“the schism, which was an enormous fight involving all of its members and had something to do with a sugar bowl.” - Erm, no.
The jar of bean - an early clue to the fact this used to be the Baudelaire parents boat - they left the pot of beans behind.
I think Olaf had some of the Baudelaires salad at the same time the sugar bowl was stolen from Esme.
The Baudelaires considering pushing Olaf overboard is a fantastic moment. the Baudelaires have considered something like this before - poison the puttenesca in the first book.
“Unless” - Is sunny proposing they eat Olaf?
Olaf is slightly insane here… how does renaming the boat solve any problem at all, let alone all of them?
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Post by Dante on Aug 29, 2013 7:36:06 GMT -5
Its interesting how the ex libris pae has a undisguised olaf, eve though he is disuised in the book at some point. I think the intention was to mirror TBB. Every chapter of The End includes a line from the corresponding chapter of TBB, and there's also the fact that The End overtly embraces and then undermines the standard formula of the series. There was also a placeholder cover of the book released with TBB's spine colour. Essentially, there was an attempt to link TBB and The End in as many ways as possible. Even in the title. Well, it's foreshadowing, and easy to read over, unless the first chapter is released months in advance and there's plenty of time to speculate. With that said, we didn't know it would be a Chapter Fourteen exactly. Some people thought there would be an epilogue; I thought there would be two alternative Chapter Thirteens. Others wondered if the deja vu Chapter Five in TCC counted, or the BBRE Author's Notes, and others wondered if it didn't prove that the whole first chapter was a fake for some reason. Remember the pot of beans later when discussing where the horseradish apples were hidden!
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Post by Hermes on Aug 29, 2013 9:28:32 GMT -5
I generally make him younger, but that could be. Well if Beatrice and Lemony are the same age, that would mean she had Violet at 26. Anything too much younger seems a little unreasonable. I'm not sure that's true in the world of ASOUE: VFD members don't seem, in general, to go to college/university (though Monty did), so they may get married and have children rather younger than is typical with us. He seems still to be alive now. TBL, or at least the end of TBL, could be written in-universe after ATWQ's been written. The events it describes takes place after a considerable timeskip from the rest of the series, so for the time of writing to be similarly adjusted seems hardly unreasonable, if someone wants to interpret the end of TBL as the end of Lemony's life. Ah well, that brings up all sorts of questions about how to read the books. If we go along with the fiction that these books, which are in our hands, were actually written by Lemony Snicket, the volunteer and lover of Beatrice, then his writing of them must be in the past when we read them. And yet he is not only writing new material but even making the occasional public appearance, so he can't be dead. If we suspend that way of thinking, then certainly there is something attractive about the idea that the last letter comes at the end of Lemony's life, after ATWQ, and after his reading of Coraline and so on.
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Post by Teleram on Aug 29, 2013 12:41:02 GMT -5
Its interesting how the ex libris pae has a undisguised olaf, eve though he is disuised in the book at some point. I think the intention was to mirror TBB. Every chapter of The End includes a line from the corresponding chapter of TBB, and there's also the fact that The End overtly embraces and then undermines the standard formula of the series. There was also a placeholder cover of the book released with TBB's spine colour. There's also a part later on in The End where Lemony actually uses a quote from TBB. Isn't Chapter Fourteen technically an epilouge?
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