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Post by Charles Vane on Sept 19, 2013 13:31:36 GMT -5
hermes i like you so much right now im not even going to make the old joke i thought of.
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Post by Linda Rhaldeen on Sept 19, 2013 13:36:33 GMT -5
...I have no idea what's going on. I'm assuming there was an off-color rape joke made, but when people delete things it gets confusing.
Also it says Dante made this thread.
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Post by Charles Vane on Sept 19, 2013 13:37:59 GMT -5
Yeah, it's not really about what MisterM initially said though, because he's sorry and he knows what it implies now and why it was wrong. More like Terry's attitude- I'm really surprised someone like you who appears (at least) to be so socially and politically educated and then not realise that Rape Culture exists. It's just important to educate people about it- and by that I mean things like my school health classes teaching young boys the wrongs, and not teaching girls as young as me not to go out at certain times and not to go alone or wear ~inappropriate clothing~ salsa im going to triple post probably but i love bee. and actually i think its totally possible for someone to be progressive, for lack of a better word, in a lot of areas and then just be completely ignorant or wrong when it comes to issues like rape. thats part of why rape culture exists and these jokes are so problematic because even the people you expect to know better don't. and yeah on a more general note, girls are taught how to avoid rape which is such a ridiculous thing because a victim can do very little to prevent a crime from happening, while boys, and people in general, are not educated about rape. it makes a lot more sense to target those who would commit the crime and educate them but this is part of the twisted world of rape culture.
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Post by Charles Vane on Sept 19, 2013 13:41:49 GMT -5
...I have no idea what's going on. I'm assuming there was an off-color rape joke made, but when people delete things it gets confusing. Also it says Dante made this thread. when asked where would you send your worst enemy, mr m said he would send his worst enemy to count olafs house dressed as kit. people liked the post and then i was like uh guys does anyone else see what im seeing and then this happened. dante moved the thread here, which was good, but he used the british spelling of humour, which was bad. oh what i was going to say was, again i really don't think this joke was super offensive or off color except in the way that i think all rape jokes are harmful because they contribute to a larger issue.
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Post by Hermes on Sept 19, 2013 13:43:34 GMT -5
hermes i like you so much right now im not even going to make the old joke i thought of. You mean a joke about being old, I take it? ...I have no idea what's going on. I'm assuming there was an off-color rape joke made, but when people delete things it gets confusing. Also it says Dante made this thread. Dante made the thread by moving it from Perilous Places. It was originally part of the thread on 'Where would you send your worst enemy?'. If you read Mister M's original post in connection with that question you'll see what is happening. EDIT: Snap!
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Post by Charles Vane on Sept 19, 2013 13:47:01 GMT -5
hermes i like you so much right now im not even going to make the old joke i thought of. You mean a joke about being old, I take it? it was a joke about why we don't see eye to eye often and the punchline was basically because you are old and i am not.
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Post by Poe's Coats Host Toast on Sept 19, 2013 14:13:39 GMT -5
so one of those scenarios is a male skunk thinking this chick is his type and the other one seems like the same thing i guess but if thats all it is whats the point? i dressed my worst enemy up in drag and this dude totally checked him out? good one bro. theres a more sinister implication there and thats what was meant to be amusing about it. I can't speak for MisterM about his intentions with the joke, but the way I perceived it was that a disgusting and evil human like Olaf would fancy your enemy. I would say that is a good one bro indeed. More like Terry's attitude- I'm really surprised someone like you who appears (at least) to be so socially and politically educated and then not realise that Rape Culture exists. That is not what "attitude" means, and it's not what I said. While I'm obviously aware that rape culture exists, I just didn't know that that is the word to describe it. And Terry, I don't think your 'no you're not' helped, since Pandora's reaction showed she was reading it as something horrific, and you were confirming she was right. That's true, however I only said it under the impression that Pandora wasn't serious about it, since one can never be sure/should always assume that she isn't serious about what she says, as she said so herself, and I'm sure she'll confirm. that is totally not what it seemed like you were saying. sorry we didn't understand each other then I guess, see above. and actually i think its totally possible for someone to be progressive, for lack of a better word, in a lot of areas and then just be completely ignorant or wrong when it comes to issues like rape. thats part of why rape culture exists and these jokes are so problematic because even the people you expect to know better don't. In case one would agree with the notion that MisterM's joke was not in any way related to rape, this is just the case of you and Bee trying to blow something out of proportions in order to convince others of how much of a progressive, thoughtful and wonderful human being you are because you're so aware (at the cost of making MisterM look bad). While caring about the evils of the world is a noble thing, narcissism is not. If you want to discuss rape culture, make a thread for it and all is good (just like Dante created one and put this conversation in it for you). I tend not to see eye to eye with Pandora about most things, but I think she's absolutely right this time. Terry, sorry I seem to be picking fights with you - and perhaps I overreacted to the 'piss' thing, which was a pretty harmless joke - but this is more serious. Don't worry, Hermes, since you obviously seem like you are just voicing your genuine opinion, while still taking other viewpoints into consideration, which is why I think you're being helpful, and which I applaud. (I wouldn't like dragging other arguments from other threads in here, however.)
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Post by Kit's tits kick ticks on Sept 19, 2013 15:11:42 GMT -5
In case one would agree with the notion that MisterM's joke was not in any way related to rape, this is just the case of you and Bee trying to blow something out of proportions in order to convince others of how much of a progressive, thoughtful and wonderful human being you are because you're so aware (at the cost of making MisterM look bad). While caring about the evils of the world is a noble thing, narcissism is not. If you want to discuss rape culture, make a thread for it and all is good (just like Dante created one and put this conversation in it for you). Actually Bee didn't say anything until she said it's okay because he didn't mean it as a rape joke.
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Post by B. on Sept 19, 2013 15:23:29 GMT -5
In case one would agree with the notion that MisterM's joke was not in any way related to rape, this is just the case of you and Bee trying to blow something out of proportions in order to convince others of how much of a progressive, thoughtful and wonderful human being you are because you're so aware (at the cost of making MisterM look bad). While caring about the evils of the world is a noble thing, narcissism is not. If you want to discuss rape culture, make a thread for it and all is good (just like Dante created one and put this conversation in it for you). Actually Bee didn't say anything until she said it's okay because he didn't mean it as a rape joke. Thanks, Anka. I think it's pretty clear that when MisterM said it (and it was pretty tame) he just didn't think about the whole implications. He knows now what he implied, and he won't do it again, he's smart enough to realise that. On the other hand, there's Terry. Dude, I get that you like Hermes more than Pandora or I, but I find the fact that you seem to think we're "blowing this out of proportion" personally offensive, and I think you should rethink your statement. Because we're being pretty darn serious here- if it's okay, totally cool and even funny to make one little joke implying rape, where do we draw the line?
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Post by Poe's Coats Host Toast on Sept 19, 2013 15:43:46 GMT -5
I think it's pretty clear that when MisterM said it (and it was pretty tame) he just didn't think about the whole implications. He knows now what he implied, and he won't do it again, he's smart enough to realise that. On the other hand, there's Terry. Dude, I get that you like Hermes more than Pandora or I, but I find the fact that you seem to think we're "blowing this out of proportion" personally offensive, and I think you should rethink your statement. Because we're being pretty darn serious here- if it's okay, totally cool and even funny to make one little joke implying rape, where do we draw the line? Listen, I am merely using my right to state my opinion on things as I see them. I didn't take anything as a "personal offense" because I was not the person concerned in this discussion until now. Me liking anyone more than another one doesn't have to do with anything here. I am sticking to what I said and if you don't like what I think that's too bad. I can see that you are serious, and I can see how passionate you are on social issues, just don't go conjuring up offensive implications where there are none. Be more constructive and raise awareness on these issues without slandering somebody innocent (since MisterM didn't seem to imply rape at all, although he could clear that up better than me).
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Post by Charles Vane on Sept 19, 2013 16:06:50 GMT -5
that is totally not what it seemed like you were saying. sorry we didn't understand each other then I guess, see above. and actually i think its totally possible for someone to be progressive, for lack of a better word, in a lot of areas and then just be completely ignorant or wrong when it comes to issues like rape. thats part of why rape culture exists and these jokes are so problematic because even the people you expect to know better don't. In case one would agree with the notion that MisterM's joke was not in any way related to rape, this is just the case of you and Bee trying to blow something out of proportions in order to convince others of how much of a progressive, thoughtful and wonderful human being you are because you're so aware (at the cost of making MisterM look bad). While caring about the evils of the world is a noble thing, narcissism is not. If you want to discuss rape culture, make a thread for it and all is good (just like Dante created one and put this conversation in it for you). my computer is being such a freaking jackass, i know you said something else terry craig but i'm going to try to successfully post this first. hi, nice to meet you, im pandora, i have never tried to be any of those adjectives you mention because i always avoid serious topics on 667. i wasn't trying to make mr m seem bad, i dont think he did it maliciously and i didnt say anything about him because bee said what i would have said. i dont fault him for what he said at all because the harmful ways we view consent and how its okay to talk about rape are prevalent and this is something it's hard to be aware of unless you're trying. so the only reason i am "so aware" is because i care about this issue and as i see it the only way to make others "so aware" is to point stuff out and have discussions. it might seem like bee and i are trying to attack to you because thats how we roll but, while anyone can suffer from rape culture, this is considered more of a feminist issue and thats why im guessing she feels the way she does and its why i do too.
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Post by Charles Vane on Sept 19, 2013 16:11:39 GMT -5
Listen, I am merely using my right to state my opinion on things as I see them. I didn't take anything as a "personal offense" because I was not the person concerned in this discussion until now. Me liking anyone more than another one doesn't have to do with anything here. I am sticking to what I said and if you don't like what I think that's too bad. I can see that you are serious, and I can see how passionate you are on social issues, just don't go conjuring up offensive implications where there are none. Be more constructive and raise awareness on these issues without slandering somebody innocent (since MisterM didn't seem to imply rape at all, although he could clear that up better than me). no one said you didnt have the right to state your opinion. i just wish you stop trying to state mine, you always presume to know what im doing or feeling and it is literally the only reason why i don't like you. i dont care whether you stick to your opinions or not but what i'd like to know is why you're sticking to your opinions. stop saying what are doing and what we should be doing and tell me your opinions so we can talk about this! you're talking way more about me, bee and mr m than the topic. we can continue talking about the post, which i do think had offensive implications even though that wasnt the intention, or talk in larger terms.
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Post by Hermes on Sept 19, 2013 16:19:56 GMT -5
and actually i think its totally possible for someone to be progressive, for lack of a better word, in a lot of areas and then just be completely ignorant or wrong when it comes to issues like rape. thats part of why rape culture exists and these jokes are so problematic because even the people you expect to know better don't. In case one would agree with the notion that MisterM's joke was not in any way related to rape, this is just the case of you and Bee trying to blow something out of proportions in order to convince others of how much of a progressive, thoughtful and wonderful human being you are because you're so aware (at the cost of making MisterM look bad). While caring about the evils of the world is a noble thing, narcissism is not. If you want to discuss rape culture, make a thread for it and all is good (just like Dante created one and put this conversation in it for you). I really don't think that is fair. Most of the time what Pandora writes is a persona, and, like you, I find her persona rather annoying, but that doesn't mean that, as a real person, she doesn't have real convictions, and right now she seems to be expressing them perfectly seriously.
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Post by Charles Vane on Sept 19, 2013 16:27:23 GMT -5
hermes, i am hilarious, we should get to know each other better.
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Post by B. on Sept 19, 2013 16:29:22 GMT -5
MisterM apologised for the initial comment. It won't happen again, and it didn't particularly offend me. No one was or is trying to make him look bad, far worse things have been unfairly said to him. He knows what it implies, and he posted something without totally thinking, which fyi i do myself a lot. But he said sorry and things are okay on his part now. Four for you, MisterM!
What I was "personally offended" by was the fact that you seemed to think that someone (In this case, Nicole) calling someone out on a comment potentially perceived as endorsing rape culture was "overreaction" and "blowing things out of proportion". I know you think that it might be over the top, but trust me it really, really isn't and I took personal offence to your opinion that we were making a mountain out of a molehill as a (female) member of society. But mostly as just an ordinary member of society who believes rape is a very, very bad thing.
Now I'm happy to discuss this reasonably and have a mature debate here, or just drop it. The initial comment wasn't particularly offensive- anything concerning it has now been resolved.
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