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Post by Sixteen on Oct 1, 2013 19:30:45 GMT -5
I severely disagree with Anka but she didn't say anything extreme other than the changning nature thing.
Never mind, that's pretty much the most extreme you can ever get.
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Post by Kit's tits kick ticks on Oct 2, 2013 3:03:18 GMT -5
I don't see how it is extreme. I just hate how (at least here) the same people who want abortion not only to be legal but almost common and normal freak out when some kind of plant or insect is dying.
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Post by Isadora Is a Door on Oct 2, 2013 3:11:57 GMT -5
I don't see how it is extreme in any way... hm.
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Post by Kit's tits kick ticks on Oct 2, 2013 3:27:14 GMT -5
I think extreme would be if I said it shouldn't even be allowed after rape, and also not when the mother's life is in danger. In the other direction extreme would be if someone thought it should be allowed until right before birth.
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Post by BMatt on Oct 2, 2013 6:30:56 GMT -5
My personal view:
Having spent considerable time living in Nebraska, I would watch the Anti-abortion protesters on the sidewalk and shield my son's eyes at the nasty pictures they'd carry on signs.
Once my wife had to visit the clinic for tests when her regular doctor wasn't available. We had people shouting at us and it was a scary experience as I didn't know how many crazies were in the group. Curiously, inside the reception staff would give a knowing nod as they had to go through it every day and pointed out the ring leader was a dead beat dad and hadn't paid his child support in 5 years.
I think that speaks volumes, anti-abortion folks are so adamant about protecting unborn children but it seems they care not in the least what happens to them after they are born. I asked them flat out "after you get through with your protest here, how many orphanages do you go help? How many children do you foster?"
Personally, I'm Pro-Life. I have three kids and I love each of them. I've lost a child with my mate and know how precious life is. I agree that abortion should only be in extreme cases like rape or health of the mother. Not for women who just "change their mind" because they were irresponsible.
That said: I'm also a man and ultimately I should NOT be making any decisions or laws against a woman's right to have it done.
Counter-Intuitive but it's never an easy subject. I think it comes down to parenting, make sex something that is natural to discuss and teaching your children to make wise decisions. There are safe sex options, there is a morning after pill, there is birth control. Unfortunately we live in a puritanical country in America and this makes far too much sense.
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Post by Kit's tits kick ticks on Oct 2, 2013 7:08:50 GMT -5
That said: I'm also a man and ultimately I should NOT be making any decisions or laws against a woman's right to have it done. I think children are as much men's as women's, so they should also have something to say. Of course it's different for women because the child grows inside their body, but if fathers want their children to live that should be respected too. Also I think protesters for and against everything can be very unfriendly (sorry, I really can't find the right word for what I want to say right now, cruel seems somehow wrong). Most of the time they are too emotional and angry.
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Post by BMatt on Oct 2, 2013 8:41:12 GMT -5
Let me clarify: I completely agree that the father should have some say in it. That is a logical and fair compromise. In most cases this would something both agree to. I know I'd be devastated if my mate had an abortion without talking to me about it first. This again is where education and reproductive control comes in to play, where we don't get to that point to NEED an abortion. However, all too often the religious right and men in general like to make decisions and laws that directly affect women's rights thereby making women in America second class citizens. Case in Point Why are their reproductive rights a matter of "conscience" for others?
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Post by Michelle Denouement on Oct 7, 2013 14:26:11 GMT -5
Personally, I wouldn't get an abortion unless I got pregnant as a result from rape or if it was necessary in order to save my life. I do believe abortion should be kept legal for women who want or need an abortion for whatever reason. By keeping it legal, it keeps the procedure safe for those who want or need an abortion for whatever reason. However, in order to reduce the amount of abortions in the first place, we need to educate people about safer sex practices/contraception options and make contraceptives more widely available/less expensive. Last year, the state of Wisconsin reinstated abstinence-only sex ed, but that didn't work, so it was repealed earlier this year.
In Wisconsin, it is very difficult to get an abortion, especially if you don't live within a ~2 hour drive from Dane County or Milwaukee County. A woman who wants an abortion has to seek counseling before the procedure and wait at least 24 hours after the counseling. If she is under 18, she has to have a relative (parent, guardian, aunt, uncle, sibling) over the age of 25 to accompany her for the abortion.
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