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Post by Linda Rhaldeen on Jun 29, 2016 23:12:39 GMT -5
I feel less exclusive seeing someone else with my fragment.  Though the top one is interesting. "Eager to get his hands on you"; I love how blatantly it's worded. |
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Post by Dante on Jun 30, 2016 2:51:57 GMT -5
It's not the first repeat fragment we've encountered, I think, though it seems rather strange that there should be some. I've added the new one to the index as "Doorbell"; thanks for the link, kanyewestwing! It's quite an amusing one.
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Post by gliquey on Jun 30, 2016 14:00:59 GMT -5
It's not the first repeat fragment we've encountered, I think, though it seems rather strange that there should be some. Yep - I'm sure I remember a previous repeat. It is rather odd: were all the fragments sent out twice (or more)? Were only some repeated? Perhaps Handler couldn't get his hands on or wasn't allowed to send enough different extracts for them to be unique; perhaps he sent each one multiple times in the hopes that at least one copy of each would make it online; perhaps sending the same one twice was a mistake. |
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Post by lorelai on Jul 1, 2016 13:32:57 GMT -5
"get his hands on you" sounds very like Olaf, and how very like Mr. Poe not to find that wording concerning.
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Post by A comet crashing into Earth on Jul 1, 2016 15:24:37 GMT -5
"get his hands on you" sounds very like Olaf, and how very like Mr. Poe not to find that wording concerning. Yes, it's a good characterisation of both of them. Though I'm actually a bit surprised that there's characterisation of Olaf at all before his first appearance. In the book, it's kind of played up as an "Is he going to be a good or bad guardian"-moment; not so much for the reader, who has been warned by Lemony that it isn't a happy story, but definitely for the Baudelaires, who in the books had no clues to Olaf's demeanor until they met him. Giving them a red flag like this, even if they don't pick up on it, changes that moment. |
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Post by gliquey on Jul 1, 2016 17:11:38 GMT -5
Though I'm actually a bit surprised that there's characterisation of Olaf at all before his first appearance. In the book, it's kind of played up as an "Is he going to be a good or bad guardian"-moment; not so much for the reader, who has been warned by Lemony that it isn't a happy story, but definitely for the Baudelaires, who in the books had no clues to Olaf's demeanor until they met him. Giving them a red flag like this, even if they don't pick up on it, changes that moment. Though the first chapter in many of the following books in the series are concerned mostly with whether the Baudelaire's next guardian will be nasty or nice, the children do essentially learn the answer to what Olaf will be like a page or two before they meet him, when they see what a terrible state his house is in. And I also think the line is very revealing of both Mr. Poe and Olaf, and the former's complete ignorance towards the statement's ominous undertones is quite amusing. |
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Post by Skelly Craig on Dec 9, 2016 15:50:24 GMT -5
Episode 1:"Edgar and Albert" ( Source) with my family. That’s not so bad, is it Baudelaires? I'm sure you'll be fast friends with Edgar and Albert. INT. POE'S HOUSE - KITCHEN - NIGHT 18 The Baudelaires sit stricken and silent at a cramped table in a busy family kitchen that needs a remodel. They're flanked by the Poe offspring: EDGAR is pale and gaunt, probably a poet or at least a big fan of the Smiths, and ALBERT is a loud all-American athlete, maybe wearing a helmet. EDGAR It's a raven. I have just remembered this, and it looks like Edgar and Albert are either gonna get scrapped or changed (considering Edgar is described as "pale"). I'm curious, if they remain in the final product, whether they're still going to be unfriendly to the Baud's. In another script scrap it also says that Jacquelyn might be the sister of Gustav [she refers to their ("our") parents], which would probably make the theory that she's Kit null and void. |
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Post by Hermes on Dec 9, 2016 17:24:49 GMT -5
Well, they have dropped the 'pale' for obvious reasons, but it doesn't mean they have to drop anything else.
As for Jacqueline, I suppose 'Szlesak' is her married name. This would mean that she is a kind of development of Sally in TUA.
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Post by Dante on Dec 9, 2016 17:28:19 GMT -5
People overread that "our"; granted it's intentionally ambiguous, but it can simply mean that the missing parents in question are Gustav and Jacquelyn's responsibility, which makes sense given that they're volunteers and investigators. In any case, Gustav and Jacquelyn's parents probably aren't even the same people, given that we know Jacquelyn's surname, and it's Seieszka. But the big objection that's never yet been answered is: Who cares about Gustav and Jacquelyn's parents? The only way I can see it working is if multiple sets of parents are being kidnapped as another means of extorting fortunes, in which case it's probably still not simply a reference to their own parents. |
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Post by mortinson51 on Dec 9, 2016 17:29:14 GMT -5
It's fun to read this now with a little more context. I can now picture this scenes with the visuals we have seen. And some of the scenes in the trailer make a bit more sense.
It's interesting about that the line from Jacqueline about her parents there is an alternative line to it. I feel like the father and mother could maybe be her and Gustavo parents. As when I first read them I assumed the were quagmire but a red herring for the Baudelaire ones. I feel like that might end up being to many mystery parents. With Gustavo and her parents added to the list I don't see why that would make sense for the plot
She is Probably just Gustav's brother. It's the easiest solution and it makes context within this season. also since it looks like she just appears in 2 episodes. The only thing that doesn't make sense is her last name being different.
Edit: sorry to whoever read my original 3rd paragraph. I must have had a momentary seizure. Tried rewriting it hopefully it all makes sense now.
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Post by Skelly Craig on Dec 9, 2016 18:02:31 GMT -5
Damn, that third paragraph was a b_tch to read, mort, lol. But yeah, Jacqueline could've just married someone named Seieszka, whose name she took on. Well, they have dropped the 'pale' for obvious reasons, but it doesn't mean they have to drop anything else. I mean, they could have just gone with a caucasian Mr. Poe, so I don't know why the reasons for dropping the 'pale' is "obvious." Or maybe you just mean that it's obvious that Edgar isn't going to be pale since his father is played by a black actor. Nevertheless, considering they decided to change one thing, it's feasible they might change more, so I just thought I'd bring it up for people to take into consideration. (Or just so we can read the scraps again with a bit more context now.) |
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Post by Linda Rhaldeen on Dec 9, 2016 22:27:06 GMT -5
Genetics are funny; it's entirely possible for the two brothers to be different skin shades, despite having the same parents. And that's assuming they do both have the same parents; one or more or them could be adopted, or stepchildren.
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Post by Skelly Craig on Dec 9, 2016 22:30:00 GMT -5
True, though I never took Poe as the adoptin' type.
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Post by Strangely on Dec 9, 2016 23:56:22 GMT -5
Pale doesn't exactly have to be relating to skin tone, it can also mean feeble or unimpressive. Given that pale is followed by 'gaunt' I'm more inclined to believe they were just describing him as weak rather than describing his skin color, so I wouldn't read into that at all.
As for the Jacquelyn and Gustav fragments I don't think it's referring to their actual parents. It could be, but for me I've always read it as they were investigating the location of a set of parents. Too, with the alternate line omitting that entirely I doubt it's their actual parents.
Really though, I haven't put much stock in the fragments. The reality is that we don't know which draft of the script they were a part of or if they even made the cut for the episode, so we can't really take any of it as fact. Plus DH could easily be putting red herrings out there to throw us off, so we'll have to wait until the show premieres to really know any of it for sure. Personally I find the mother/father kind of suspicious, especially the grappling hook bit. It's almost like they're trying to imply the Baudelaire parents survived, but that can't really be the case, if it were it would change the series completely.
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Post by zinthaniel on Dec 10, 2016 1:39:01 GMT -5
Even if pale is relating to skin color it would be relative to skin color sense paleness is a biological phenomenon that occurs when the blood flow is decreased under the skin and subsequently removes some color it isn't an ethnicity or race and therefore is not unique to any one subset of humans.
As a poc with a large ethnic family it's possible to have light skinned African children. I'm assuming many of the users on here are white, just probability based on statistics, and perhaps are just not aware of how diverse skin color is with brown people. Put simply, black people can be pale.
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Though the top one is interesting. "Eager to get his hands on you"; I love how blatantly it's worded.
