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Post by ryantrimble457 on Nov 4, 2016 22:34:18 GMT -5
Guys
Guys
Guess what
None of us have seen the show
So like
We LITERALLY can't make calls on anything yet
So
Why start on such a pessimistic foot? Let's just be excited we're getting a show!
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Post by Dante on Nov 5, 2016 3:44:15 GMT -5
I've seen this discussion over how fair it is to judge from a trailer in other contexts, and I think it is worth taking a balanced view of the matter. No, the trailer is not the production (strictly speaking it's only a "teaser," but I don't think they're really kidding anyone with that designation), but at the same time, trailers are specifically designed to give impressions. Netflix want people to judge from this trailer. But... what do they want people to judge?
One thing I think is specifically relevant here is that this is a "Count Olaf" teaser in particular. Where the Baudelaires appear, there is a likelihood that they're just going to look like normal children to contrast against this exceptionally unpleasant man. If they later do a "Violet Baudelaire" teaser trailer in which she doesn't get her hands dirty, that would be a different matter.
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Post by Violent BUN Fortuna on Nov 5, 2016 11:16:31 GMT -5
I'm worried about them minimizing Violet's active role too, but the style and neatness of her clothes doesn't really add to that worry for me. We've only actually seen her in two outfits (the Snapchat one is the same as in the trailer, as is the new banner on the Netflix page for the show, btw), one of those being when they're going out to the movies with Monty so I don't imagine she'd be wearing coveralls. Besides, just because she's wearing a pretty dress doesn't mean she can't or won't get it dirty. I personally am gonna just keep hoping they do right by her character. Definitely agreed. I very much hope that her role is kept faithful to the books, but so far there isn't much to suggest that it won't be, so I'm remaining optimistic. |
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Post by lastsafeplace on Nov 5, 2016 12:05:29 GMT -5
I think the reason that Violet's appearance stood out so much (even though I agree that it means nothing) was that Klaus looked like book-Klaus, with glasses and his outfit, whereas Violet just sort of looked like a normal female child and not like her personality was coming through with her clothes. To me, Sunny also looked a lot more realistic than the movie, and she was wearing something that makes sense for a baby, instead of that oddly complex dress in the movie.
In the trailer overall, I think the only thing that can be definitively taken away was the amount of expansion from the books. I mean, maybe I'm remembering wrong, but I don't recall a boat like the one in the trailer, and there wasn't any acknowledgement of VDF in the early books. I'm interested to see how this plays out in the long run, since there will have to be more VFD mystery added in later episodes, if they start that storyline from the beginning of the series.
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Post by Hermes on Nov 5, 2016 13:21:18 GMT -5
I think the ship is the Prospero. We're never really told in the text what it looks like - Hellquist's drawing make it look one way, while the photographs is TUA make it look quite another way - so really they are free to to interpret it as they like.
As for V., it's not as if she invents all the time, and when she does invent a lot of the work happens in her head - remember she has a ribbon to tie back her hair when she's thinking - so it's not as if she should look like someone actively engaged in mechanical activities. She looks like a a girl of her age, nicely dressed, which fits in with how Klaus looks - it's just that he has a more direct identifier in his glasses.
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Post by thathoboravioli on Nov 5, 2016 15:35:21 GMT -5
Personally, I think the trailer looks great.
However...I am kind of worried about how the show will turn out, especially in regards to the source material. Call me crazy, but I think the ASOUE movie was actually pretty good as a movie, but as an adaptation it was pretty freaking terrible. Sure, Olaf was funny instead of threatening (though he WAS threatening in some scenes), there was no mention of Beatrice at all, Robert Gordon succumbed to Legolas Syndrome by making Klaus the hero instead of making the protagonist ALL THREE Baudelaires, and the story kept trying to find ways to deviate from the books, but I can actually appreciate the movie in terms of having an interesting premise and, let's be honest, people, Daniel Handler's original screenplays also deviated from the books by adding the V.F.D. and the subplot involving the pregnant V.F.D. agent (Kit Snicket?) and the two children accompanying her, as well as the V.F.D. people contacting the Baudelaires during Hurricane Herman. But if I had to compare it to other largely deviating book-to-movie adaptations (Percy Jackson, Harry Potter 4 and 6, Willy Wonka), ASOUE is on the level of Willy Wonka 1971. A good movie that is an atrocious adaptation (No joke intended) of the book. I even came up with a story where a team of my original characters are V.F.D. agents and the story is about the Great Unknown and my thoughts on it, and I added a few little nods to the movie (Easter eggs, the spyglasses, the train scene, and even the Ocular Device).
As much as I wish the show was more like the books, I do have to remember nothing much happens in the first 4 books. They were basically just a Scooby-Doo mystery being repeated over and over. Only in book 5 did we get the driving force behind the series: the mystery of V.F.D. So I guess it makes sense they would try to put V.F.D. early in the series. Then again, I actually thought at one point that seeing how Barry Sonnenfield is going to do the Netflix series and Daniel Handler wanted him to direct the movie, the script for the series would just be the original script for the movie (Kit and all), only now being reworked into a show.
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Post by Teleram on Nov 5, 2016 15:46:02 GMT -5
So teleram should've posted an appropriate quote and not a random one. I only remember Olaf and I think Fernald commenting on her prettiness. We've also seen some set photos of Violet in other scenes, and cropped pictures through Netflix's snapchat, where she also wears super neat, pink clothing. You don't get what I mean. it honestly does not matter if Mr. Poe said "nice" or "pretty", the point is that you're sharing his mindset about how just because a girl is (certain attribute) it has to mean that she can't be good at something else. |
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Post by bear on Nov 5, 2016 15:58:53 GMT -5
the problem with violet wearing neat pink clothing isn't that she doesn't fit terry craig's personal vision of "the inventor girl", it's that there is direct evidence in the books that violet wouldn't dress like that.
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Post by Dante on Nov 5, 2016 16:35:32 GMT -5
Yes, but there's also evidence in the books that during the early stories the Baudelaires were specifically not dressing in a way they would want to - and so round and round in circles we go.
thathoboravioli, without commenting on your reading of the movie (which I honestly remember too little of and cannot view separately from the books), one thing I would bear in mind with regards to the adaptation deviating from the books in inserting the V.F.D. subplot and other references to later events into the early stories is that this is something the fans actually want. And with the original author working on it especially, I have absolutely no qualms about seeing an adaptation which deviates from the books in being more expansive, as opposed to a faithful adaptation which (like the early books) lacks continuity with later developments.
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Post by thathoboravioli on Nov 5, 2016 17:14:30 GMT -5
Yes, but there's also evidence in the books that during the early stories the Baudelaires were specifically not dressing in a way they would want to - and so round and round in circles we go. thathoboravioli, without commenting on your reading of the movie (which I honestly remember too little of and cannot view separately from the books), one thing I would bear in mind with regards to the adaptation deviating from the books in inserting the V.F.D. subplot and other references to later events into the early stories is that this is something the fans actually want. And with the original author working on it especially, I have absolutely no qualms about seeing an adaptation which deviates from the books in being more expansive, as opposed to a faithful adaptation which (like the early books) lacks continuity with later developments. You're right. It does seem the fans want to see V.F.D. in the first several books. Maybe it will give the first 4 books more substance and mystery in the show, even The Miserable Mill, which is the one the fans hate out of all of them. (Personally, I thought The Hostile Hospital was the worst book) |
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Post by Skelly Craig on Nov 5, 2016 19:19:15 GMT -5
I don't think fans hate TMM; it's just one of the weakest books. And imo they're not real fans if they do hate it : P
And yes, I said it before: The writers' (preferably Handler or with his consent) deviations from /expansions on the books is one of the aspects I'm most excited about for this show. It'd be a bit boring if they stuck to the source material word for word tbh
PS Teleram next time say what you mean instead of assuming I'll know what you're on about when just posting a quote without comment. Plus you're wrong anyway, so nvm.
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Post by countadrian on Nov 5, 2016 23:45:02 GMT -5
The house looks ridiculously over the top; it's pretty much shouting "hey everyone, this house belongs to a villain and is a scary place!" That describes almost all old houses that aren't maintained though. At least this house looks like it could have been nice and normal at one time whereas the movie version was just irregular to the point where the setup made little sense. It's Violet's very neat hair that's worrying me. Yes, she can be pretty, but under the circumstances she probably shouldn't look like she just stepped out of the hairdressers. Yes, that's kind of what I meant, but to me it also applies to her very neat clothing (as an inventor you usually have to get dirty and wrap up your sleeves, you sweat, etc) and maybe her make up (I think she has some on?). I wasn't really talking about her physical prettiness. This is starting to get nitpicky. Consider that the scene in the trailer is from their arrival to Olaf's. This means that that day she got up out of bed, got ready and rode in a car to her new guardians house. At what point was she inventing? Her clothing should be neat, it's usually the custom to put on clean clothing when you get up in the morning. Her hair should likewise be neat, she likely brushed it when she got ready as is the custom for many people. On top of that her hairstyle in this isn't complex, it's literally just long/straight hair with bangs. It not like it's cut in a fancy manner or made up of complex braids. As for makeup she's wearing little. Her lips and cheeks are the same color as Klaus's. She's wearing stage makeup of course, but every actor, even the baby, is. Too, Violet was very respectful of her parents. Likely they taught their children to be neat and clean when possible and likely the Baudelaire's tried to remain presentable even when living in less than optimal situations. At home Violet probably used an apron or coat while inventing in her spare time (In the movie she had a coat for when she invented in her room). And just because Violet is an inventor doesn't mean she's working with horrendously dirty parts, nor does it guarantee she's sweating either. The few inventions from her pre-fire life that are mentioned in the books are often small enough that she could have been working at a desk. So, there's a good chance that even when inventing she was keeping relatively neat and clean. Guys, I'm a bit worried about the reactions to the new teaser. Personally I loved it, but hell... regular people seem to only remember ASOUE from the movie. I hate how they are all disappointed on not seeing Jim Carrey or Emily Browning. As if ASOUE was only a funny eye candy piece of entertainment. No one seems to care about the mystery and the story. And it's worrying, because if this isn't the hit Netflix was expecting to, having a second or third season is gonna be a lot more complicated  The movie has a bit of a cult following. Remember it actually did pretty well in theaters. For a while it held the spot for top grossing Nickelodeon movie. The movie did manage to stay in the public consciousness and many people do remember it fondly. So, it's no shock that people are having this reaction, it comes with the territory for what is a nostalgic property. Plus, the internet is notorious for jumping to conclusions with extreme and uninformed opinions. Really, this is actually a good sign. It means that a lot of people still care for the property and likely many of those people will watch just out of curiosity and nostalgia. The first trailer has nearly 2.75 million views right now and that literally shows nothing. This trailer is already at 1.1 millions views and it's only been one day. That's a promising start, so I wouldn't worry too much yet. Keep in mind this is the amount of views and press when Netflix has only released a small amount of footage, a full trailer will likely shape opinions a bit more positively. You are sooo right. Very well thought and said!  Soooo, talking about something more exciting... taking the perspective of the 2 secret websites so far... can we expect 2 more trailers? My guess is one more "character-trailer" as for Olaf, but for the Baudelaires, and then... a final full trailer giving some inside to the show's story. I sooooo hope I'm right!! |
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Post by ryantrimble457 on Nov 6, 2016 0:31:47 GMT -5
Soooo, talking about something more exciting... taking the perspective of the 2 secret websites so far... can we expect 2 more trailers? My guess is one more "character-trailer" as for Olaf, but for the Baudelaires, and then... a final full trailer giving some inside to the show's story. I sooooo hope I'm right!! I would love an Olaf trailer, then a Violet trailer, then a Klaus trailer, then a Sunny trailer! Then, sometime in December, a full, two-minute trailer-trailer. |
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Post by Dante on Nov 6, 2016 3:39:52 GMT -5
Either sequence strikes me as reasonably probable. It's been about a month since the first teaser, and it's roughly two months until the release date, so the question then becomes how they'll spread it out - but either way, it seems like fresh material is going to start coming, if not thick and fast, then at least without the necessity of a lengthy lull. We probably won't have to wait another month for a new trailer, and certainly not more.
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Post by Hermes on Nov 6, 2016 10:30:11 GMT -5
I think a Sunny trailer at this point might be a bit tricky - she isn't a terribly active character in the early books.
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